Philippine Kris or Keris

aerosick · 2nd August 2009, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Some close-ups of the hilt might be good.

David,

The silver and copper (my guess so far) braided wires have just a few broken spots. The copper wire is pliable. You can see the museum's tape on it. The lower tape has their record number 8642.L and the scabbard has the number 8641.L.

Rick · 2nd August 2009, 12:48 AM

This one may have a twist core .
I believe it is likely pre 20th C.

Just an observation though ....

There's something funny about the tip .

Possibly it has been reshaped during it's working life ?

A possibility with an old blade .
I don't believe that this is its first hilting .

Nice .

aerosick · 2nd August 2009, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Just an observation .

There's something funny about the tip .
Possibly it has been reshaped during it's working life ?

Rick,

Edit: The scabbard could have been made later to fit the blade. Billy

The pattern in the blade seems to follow the tip. Should the tip be more rounded as a "slasher", not a "stabbing" blade? The tip fits snug in the scabbard's hollowed out tip area. (That photo is in an earlier Post of mine)

Billy

Rick · 2nd August 2009, 01:03 AM

See my edit in the post above .

Here is a blade that I think may be from the same time frame as yours .

http://www.arscives.com/historysteel...1/160-rb3a.jpg

aerosick · 2nd August 2009, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

See my edit in the post above .

Here is a blade that I think may be from the same time frame as yours .

http://www.arscives.com/historysteel...1/160-rb3a.jpg

Yes it does look like the same tip! I will Post about the cockatua pommel later.

Billy

Rick · 2nd August 2009, 02:06 AM

Indeed; but compare the distance between the engraving and the point . Compare the point shape with your example .

Check the rest of the krisses on the site also .

http://www.arscives.com/historysteel...nes.swords.htm

Your's is an old blade; I'm fairly certain of that .

It may even have a twist core .

Nothing wrong with keeping an old warrior functional .
If the point was modified it was long ago I figure .

aerosick · 2nd August 2009, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Indeed; but compare the distance between the engraving and the point . Compare the point shape with your example .

Check the rest of the krisses on the site also .

http://www.arscives.com/historysteel...nes.swords.htm

Your's is an old blade; I'm fairly certain of that .

It may even have a twist core .

Nothing wrong with keeping an old warrior functional .
If the point was modified it was long ago I figure .

I've bookmarked that and I keep looking and looking.

Can you point me to a reference on "twist core" versus other forge techniques? Is this where they would twist the metal billets? Does this make it rarer?

Thanks,

Billy

aerosick · 2nd August 2009, 12:51 AM

The Gangya (guard) looks to be a separate piece, not part of the blade. It has a single clamp (baca-baca).

2nd August 2009, 12:48 AM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,268	Older Blade This one may have a twist core . I believe it is likely pre 20th C. Just an observation though .... There's something funny about the tip . Possibly it has been reshaped during it's working life ? A possibility with an old blade . I don't believe that this is its first hilting . Nice . Last edited by Rick; 2nd August 2009 at 01:00 AM.

2nd August 2009, 12:51 AM	#8
aerosick Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Southern California, USA Posts: 25	The Guard (Gangya) The Gangya (guard) looks to be a separate piece, not part of the blade. It has a single clamp (baca-baca).

2nd August 2009, 01:03 AM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,268	See my edit in the post above . Here is a blade that I think may be from the same time frame as yours . http://www.arscives.com/historysteel...1/160-rb3a.jpg

2nd August 2009, 02:06 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,268	Indeed; but compare the distance between the engraving and the point . Compare the point shape with your example . Check the rest of the krisses on the site also . http://www.arscives.com/historysteel...nes.swords.htm Your's is an old blade; I'm fairly certain of that . It may even have a twist core . Nothing wrong with keeping an old warrior functional . If the point was modified it was long ago I figure .