Chinese mace

koto · 21st February 2011, 04:23 PM

chinese short iron mace

fernando · 21st February 2011, 05:10 PM

Hi Koto,
No pictures ?

koto · 22nd February 2011, 01:49 PM

my mistake, sorry! first time post here

koto · 22nd February 2011, 05:11 PM

my first post here, trying hard to upload pic

koto · 23rd February 2011, 03:09 AM

photos

VANDOO · 24th February 2011, 12:46 AM

JUST A GUT FEELING BUT THIS ITEM LOOKS MORE LIKE PART OF A MACHINE PERHAPS ONE WITH MULTIPLE HEADS LIKE THIS MESHED TOGETHER FOR CRUSHING SOMETHING.
DOES THE SHAFT TAPER TOWARD THE GRIP AND WHAT DOES THE BUTT END LOOK LIKE. IF THE BALANCE IS POOR AND THE SHAFT TOO LARGE FOR A COMFORTABLE GRIP THESE THINGS SHOULD HELP DECIDE IF IT WAS MADE FOR USE AS A WEAPON OR SOMETHING PUT TOGETHER FROM PARTS OF SOME MACHINE.
EITHER WAY I WOULD NOT LIKE TO GET CONKED WITH IT

GOOD LUCK

Neil · 24th February 2011, 02:13 AM

I have not seen a Chinese mace before in that form. Do you know anything of its history, such as were you came by it, and or any stories that came with it.
Thanks

Freddy · 24th February 2011, 09:42 AM

Hi,

Welcome to this forum.

As to you piece... Perhaps it's a weapon used during WW1 for fighting in the trenches. All kinds of maces were used.

It's no too big, so it would suit this purpose just fine.

kronckew · 24th February 2011, 11:23 AM

i have seen bronze-age mace heads of just that knobbly form. a google search on 'bronze mace heads' is attached. note that a lot of such are modern reproductions (especially ebay) as in one shown roughly in the middle...

koto · 24th February 2011, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

i have seen bronze-age mace heads of just that knobbly form. a google search on 'bronze mace heads' is attached. note that a lot of such are modern reproductions (especially ebay) as in one shown roughly in the middle...

Most of them are Warring States period (475BC - 221BC) stuff, a couple New Stone Age.

Guys, the mace I posted was actually a hidden weapon of early Qing Dynasty (1644-1911) or maybe a bit earlier. It is called 'sleeve mace', i.e. a mace hidden in the loose sleeve for sudden attack. Not quite chevalier manner, isn't it?

This one got a style of the northern nomadic minorities. There are longer and heavier maces used for battle, some are standard arms for the armies. They may smash helmets easily. I have a few and can share later.

Here is another sleeve mace of the early to middle Qing period. This one is more of the style of the Central Areas.

Neil · 24th February 2011, 07:11 PM

Thanks for sharing koto. I have been looking for a Chinese mace similar to the second example. I am still curious from what sources you based your appraisals on the first mace. I am not saying you are wrong, only following the bread crumbs of research.

Here is an example of a Chinese blunt force short weapon I have in my research collection. It is 17 inches long with a flattened tip on the central rod.

koto · 25th February 2011, 04:00 PM

Hi Neil, nice spear head and Jian. Both are of Qing Dynasty items.

As for the first mace, you have a good question. Unfortunately there is no official record / literature on such items. Perhaps one can find bits and pieces information from the tomb wall painting, religious painting and folk painting, etc. Given the lack of research in this area, one can also line up items from different periods and get enlighten about their evolution.

The next 3 maces are of no doubt Qing Dynasty items. They are the standard arm of the dynasty army. The style is of the central area, the 'mellon' shape, or pumpkin if you like.

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kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,150	i have seen bronze-age mace heads of just that knobbly form. a google search on 'bronze mace heads' is attached. note that a lot of such are modern reproductions (especially ebay) as in one shown roughly in the middle... Attached Images

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fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Hi Koto, No pictures ?

24th February 2011, 12:46 AM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	JUST A GUT FEELING BUT THIS ITEM LOOKS MORE LIKE PART OF A MACHINE PERHAPS ONE WITH MULTIPLE HEADS LIKE THIS MESHED TOGETHER FOR CRUSHING SOMETHING. DOES THE SHAFT TAPER TOWARD THE GRIP AND WHAT DOES THE BUTT END LOOK LIKE. IF THE BALANCE IS POOR AND THE SHAFT TOO LARGE FOR A COMFORTABLE GRIP THESE THINGS SHOULD HELP DECIDE IF IT WAS MADE FOR USE AS A WEAPON OR SOMETHING PUT TOGETHER FROM PARTS OF SOME MACHINE. EITHER WAY I WOULD NOT LIKE TO GET CONKED WITH IT GOOD LUCK

24th February 2011, 02:13 AM	#7
Neil Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 109	I have not seen a Chinese mace before in that form. Do you know anything of its history, such as were you came by it, and or any stories that came with it. Thanks

24th February 2011, 09:42 AM	#8
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	Hi, Welcome to this forum. As to you piece... Perhaps it's a weapon used during WW1 for fighting in the trenches. All kinds of maces were used. It's no too big, so it would suit this purpose just fine.

24th February 2011, 07:11 PM	#11
Neil Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 109	Thanks for sharing koto. I have been looking for a Chinese mace similar to the second example. I am still curious from what sources you based your appraisals on the first mace. I am not saying you are wrong, only following the bread crumbs of research. Here is an example of a Chinese blunt force short weapon I have in my research collection. It is 17 inches long with a flattened tip on the central rod. Attached Images

25th February 2011, 04:00 PM	#12
koto Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 27	Hi Neil, nice spear head and Jian. Both are of Qing Dynasty items. As for the first mace, you have a good question. Unfortunately there is no official record / literature on such items. Perhaps one can find bits and pieces information from the tomb wall painting, religious painting and folk painting, etc. Given the lack of research in this area, one can also line up items from different periods and get enlighten about their evolution. The next 3 maces are of no doubt Qing Dynasty items. They are the standard arm of the dynasty army. The style is of the central area, the 'mellon' shape, or pumpkin if you like. Attached Images