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Old 29th November 2023, 08:39 PM   #1
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Default Beibut kindjal with early european blade ? Origin ?

Hello dear members,
It was a long time I didn't post anything.
Here is an interesting long beibut dagger I found that I would like to show you:
large military type model but with horn handle and a ''15'' written on it.
A mix between europeans and east european-asian influences
Under the scabbard, an interesting blade, I hadn't seen it before I got it, a nice surprise !
It is very rusty but with an unusual very large yelman and a Passau wolf and the initials H and M and small crosses on both sides.
a very old blade ?
the tip- bouterolle also with the leather that goes over the leather sheath seems to me unusual with ''classics'' kindjal and reminds me 18th-19rh Prussian-Austrian short swords models.
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Old 29th November 2023, 08:43 PM   #2
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I forgot the size: 65cm long 70 with scabbard
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Old 30th November 2023, 12:41 AM   #3
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Most likely explanation would be a cut down shashka blade. European markings, including the running wolf were widely copied in the Caucasus.
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Old 30th November 2023, 10:24 AM   #4
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Thank youbfor your message TVV,

yes it can be a shortened shashka blade,
I rarely seen shashka blade with such Ã* large yelman

If it's the case, the black-smith has reshaped all metal hilt part fo perfectlyr suit the grip shape,
I'll post some pictures

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Old 30th November 2023, 02:22 PM   #5
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Thank youbfor your message TVV,

yes it can be a shortened shashka blade,
I rarely seen shashka blade with such Ã* large yelman
How about a broken blade not a cut down one? Is there evidence of a scarf weld where the blade joins the hilt? I have read that some Caucasian cultures carried a second shorter blade as a backup often repurposed from a broken blade.
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Old 30th November 2023, 05:31 PM   #6
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Hello

It seems to be the ''regular'' tip of the blade/shortened sword with the large yelman but it wasn't welded to a separate metal hilt.

A single piece of metal
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Old 30th November 2023, 06:00 PM   #7
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Perhaps these two pictures are better...
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