A nice display

Gavin Nugent · 6th February 2008, 06:38 AM

For all those interested in knives of the Philippines I recently obtained this gorgeous display board that someone has put a large amount of time into. It is in no way a new display nor an antique. It shows great detail, from the strung bow, the fine engravings on all the blades and the appearance of edges on all weapons.

The only fault apart from a small chip to the backing board near the base is that the Banjal blade is missing, I do hope to find some very thin aluminium and be able to replicate the fine craftsmanship that has gone into this piece.

Gav

Gavin Nugent · 6th February 2008, 07:06 AM

I have done a little word search looking for a Banjal blade here in the forum and I see Ariel started a thread in May 07 from memory and from the description you put forth Ariel I think this might be the display board you spoke of? Did anyone actually find this Banjal blade type anywhere?
Well it is sitting safe on my wall for now and hopfully someone might shed some light on the blade...

regards

Gav

Gavin Nugent · 7th February 2008, 09:35 AM

I'll keep this thread updated as I think I can replicate the blade shape from the shadow that is left on the back board.

Ferguson · 7th February 2008, 10:52 AM

I see these on Ebay from time to time. Keep an eye out there and maybe you can get a good picture to go from.

Steve

Gavin Nugent · 7th February 2008, 11:05 AM

Thanks Steve, I'll keep an eye out.

Bill · 8th February 2008, 05:47 AM

Your display is pretty current to what is sold in the shops all over the Philippines. They have been selling Moro weapon displays for 100 years so there is numerous variations. I wouldn't doubt if it is the original PI "souvenir".

Gavin Nugent · 8th February 2008, 08:15 AM

Thanks Bill, probably is just that, but considering the $5.50 I payed for it, still a nice reference board. As you mention that they have been selling these type of boards for a hundred years, would you be good enough to share the Banjal blade type that is mentioned here and other threads? It still remains a mystery to myself and other collectors here.

thanks

Gavin

CourseEight · 8th February 2008, 12:51 PM

Not a close-up, but the basic shape is evident:

http://sifuhenrik.blogg.se/images/mo...1177673388.jpg

Michel · 8th February 2008, 06:15 PM

I found them in garage sales, rolled in an old piece of paper quite a while ago.
No board, no names but clearly Philipino type of edge weapons.
I had to make a support, but I like them.
Regards
Michel

Gavin Nugent · 9th February 2008, 12:41 AM

They look like quality minitures Michel, I'd love to see a close up of the weapons. CourseEight, I can't get the link up, maybe just my computer?

thanks

Gav

Rick · 9th February 2008, 01:02 AM

Really accurate blade forms I think we should all allow for considerable 'artistic interpretation' in the representations shown on these boards .

CourseEight · 9th February 2008, 01:36 AM

Nope, the image is gone. I got it off of a google image search. Sorry I didn't save it! I have one of these (with fewer weapons on it) and I agree, I'm not going to be using this for the "definition" of anything.

Found another:

http://cgi.ebay.ph/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...6075&indexURL=

Different layout but that one's version of a "banjal" is in the lower left. Roughly the same as the other one I posted, but you can see how some of them differ from plaque to plaque...

Bill M · 9th February 2008, 02:58 AM

An old one, similar to the one in Cato. Probably same vintage.

Was sold to me as being the one in Cato. When it arrived, close examination shows it is similar to the point of possibly having been made in the same shop, but not in Cato's book. Seller would not refund/return -- we don't do business anymore.

Bone handles. 18" high.

Flavio · 9th February 2008, 09:01 AM

Hi Bill, the one you show is very nice and old (bone handles): the shapes are very similar to the real weapons and not as the modern ones that show some weapons never seen before and name never hearing before.

Gavin Nugent · 9th February 2008, 02:07 PM

A nice array of miniture weapons none the less Bill. Thanks for the new link too CourseEight. I am enjoying viewing the differing display board, please show em if you got em guys.
I understand what you are saying about accuracy in portrayal of these weapon not being 100% Rick, but alas I feel, as I think you do too, even the stylized minitures on the different weapons boards do give the ability for one to identify the weapon in real life even with "artistic license"

keep em coming guys

Gav

Michel · 9th February 2008, 02:25 PM

[QUOTE=freebooter]They look like quality minitures Michel, I'd love to see a close up of the weapons.

Well, here they come.
Most are with bone handle, except the keris in the center and the the one bottom left (keris Sundang) for which I had to make new handles as they had lost the originals one.
Not all but a few of these micro weapons have a name stamped on the blade. Very difficult to see.
Hope that my photos are good enough for you to see
Regards
Michel

Bill M · 9th February 2008, 02:32 PM

Very nice. The kris (third from the end) looks like they were representing a twist core blade.

Mine have writing on the blades also. Will see if I can photograph it.

Michel · 9th February 2008, 02:43 PM

No the blade is rough only, no tentative, as I see it to show a twist core blade.
All blades are from flat metal (2.5 mm thick), (as if stamped) not forged. except that very blade which is much rougher than all the others.
The shapes are then filed to give the edge. Most of the work is in the handles. As these are miniatures it is really difficult work to do.
Regards
Michel

Gavin Nugent · 9th February 2008, 03:56 PM

How very interesting these miniture display weapons are becoming, very nice craftsmanship and patina displayed in both boards. I can now appreciate the interest some colectors have in miniture weapons of the world. Nice job on your handle creations too Michel.

Does anyone have any other miniture display boards out there that they would like to share, I know i'd be interested in seeing more from any region of the world.

Gav

Bill M · 9th February 2008, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michel

No the blade is rough only, no tentative, as I see it to show a twist core blade.

Michel

From the handle and mendak it looks more Javanese.

Michel · 9th February 2008, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

From the handle and mendak it looks more Javanese.

Sure, you are right the handle looks javanese, as I made it that way.
The original one had disappeared and I was not too sure how a philipino handle should look with what looked like a javanese blade !
You have good eyes Bill.
Michel

Rick · 10th February 2008, 01:04 AM

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6th February 2008, 06:38 AM	#1
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	A nice display For all those interested in knives of the Philippines I recently obtained this gorgeous display board that someone has put a large amount of time into. It is in no way a new display nor an antique. It shows great detail, from the strung bow, the fine engravings on all the blades and the appearance of edges on all weapons. The only fault apart from a small chip to the backing board near the base is that the Banjal blade is missing, I do hope to find some very thin aluminium and be able to replicate the fine craftsmanship that has gone into this piece. Gav Attached Images

6th February 2008, 07:06 AM	#2
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Ahoy Ariel I have done a little word search looking for a Banjal blade here in the forum and I see Ariel started a thread in May 07 from memory and from the description you put forth Ariel I think this might be the display board you spoke of? Did anyone actually find this Banjal blade type anywhere? Well it is sitting safe on my wall for now and hopfully someone might shed some light on the blade... regards Gav

7th February 2008, 09:35 AM	#3
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Banjal Blade I'll keep this thread updated as I think I can replicate the blade shape from the shadow that is left on the back board.

7th February 2008, 11:05 AM	#5
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Thanks Steve Thanks Steve, I'll keep an eye out.

8th February 2008, 08:15 AM	#7
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Thanks Bill Thanks Bill, probably is just that, but considering the $5.50 I payed for it, still a nice reference board. As you mention that they have been selling these type of boards for a hundred years, would you be good enough to share the Banjal blade type that is mentioned here and other threads? It still remains a mystery to myself and other collectors here. thanks Gavin

7th February 2008, 10:52 AM	#4
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	I see these on Ebay from time to time. Keep an eye out there and maybe you can get a good picture to go from. Steve

8th February 2008, 05:47 AM	#6
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	Your display is pretty current to what is sold in the shops all over the Philippines. They have been selling Moro weapon displays for 100 years so there is numerous variations. I wouldn't doubt if it is the original PI "souvenir".

8th February 2008, 12:51 PM	#8
CourseEight Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Coral Springs, FL Posts: 222	Not a close-up, but the basic shape is evident: http://sifuhenrik.blogg.se/images/mo...1177673388.jpg

8th February 2008, 06:15 PM	#9
Michel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 139	I found them in garage sales, rolled in an old piece of paper quite a while ago. No board, no names but clearly Philipino type of edge weapons. I had to make a support, but I like them. Regards Michel Attached Images

9th February 2008, 12:41 AM	#10
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Thanks for your input guys They look like quality minitures Michel, I'd love to see a close up of the weapons. CourseEight, I can't get the link up, maybe just my computer? thanks Gav Last edited by freebooter; 9th February 2008 at 12:53 AM. Reason: spelling

9th February 2008, 01:02 AM	#11
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	When Searching For ... Really accurate blade forms I think we should all allow for considerable 'artistic interpretation' in the representations shown on these boards .

9th February 2008, 01:36 AM	#12
CourseEight Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Coral Springs, FL Posts: 222	Nope, the image is gone. I got it off of a google image search. Sorry I didn't save it! I have one of these (with fewer weapons on it) and I agree, I'm not going to be using this for the "definition" of anything. Found another: http://cgi.ebay.ph/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...6075&indexURL= Different layout but that one's version of a "banjal" is in the lower left. Roughly the same as the other one I posted, but you can see how some of them differ from plaque to plaque... Last edited by CourseEight; 9th February 2008 at 02:12 AM.

9th February 2008, 02:58 AM	#13
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	An old one, *similar* to the one in Cato. Probably same vintage. Was sold to me as *being* the one in Cato. When it arrived, close examination shows it is similar to the point of possibly having been made in the same shop, but not in Cato's book. Seller would not refund/return -- we don't do business anymore. Bone handles. 18" high. Attached Images

9th February 2008, 09:01 AM	#14
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hi Bill, the one you show is very nice and old (bone handles): the shapes are very similar to the real weapons and not as the modern ones that show some weapons never seen before and name never hearing before.

9th February 2008, 02:07 PM	#15
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Nice Bill A nice array of miniture weapons none the less Bill. Thanks for the new link too CourseEight. I am enjoying viewing the differing display board, please show em if you got em guys. I understand what you are saying about accuracy in portrayal of these weapon not being 100% Rick, but alas I feel, as I think you do too, even the stylized minitures on the different weapons boards do give the ability for one to identify the weapon in real life even with "artistic license" keep em coming guys Gav

9th February 2008, 02:25 PM	#16
Michel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 139	[QUOTE=freebooter]They look like quality minitures Michel, I'd love to see a close up of the weapons. Well, here they come. Most are with bone handle, except the keris in the center and the the one bottom left (keris Sundang) for which I had to make new handles as they had lost the originals one. Not all but a few of these micro weapons have a name stamped on the blade. Very difficult to see. Hope that my photos are good enough for you to see Regards Michel Attached Images

9th February 2008, 02:32 PM	#17
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Very nice. The kris (third from the end) looks like they were representing a twist core blade. Mine have writing on the blades also. Will see if I can photograph it.

9th February 2008, 02:43 PM	#18
Michel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 139	No the blade is rough only, no tentative, as I see it to show a twist core blade. All blades are from flat metal (2.5 mm thick), (as if stamped) not forged. except that very blade which is much rougher than all the others. The shapes are then filed to give the edge. Most of the work is in the handles. As these are miniatures it is really difficult work to do. Regards Michel Attached Images

9th February 2008, 03:56 PM	#19
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Thanks Michel and Bill How very interesting these miniture display weapons are becoming, very nice craftsmanship and patina displayed in both boards. I can now appreciate the interest some colectors have in miniture weapons of the world. Nice job on your handle creations too Michel. Does anyone have any other miniture display boards out there that they would like to share, I know i'd be interested in seeing more from any region of the world. Gav

10th February 2008, 01:04 AM	#22
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	More ........ Attached Images