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Old 9th July 2019, 11:13 PM   #1
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Hello. Iím new and very glad I found this place. Im in the SE USA and have come by lots of antique weapons in my auction buying. I normally do estate sales, storage, and seizure auctions. Iíve seen everything from ugly fakes to very nice legitimate collectible edged weapons. Iíve saved a few things that I never identified but in the past Iíve received many authentic rare German WW1 and 2 daggers and swords. The oldest authentic weapon I had come by was a late 17th/early 18th C German ďheavyĒ rapier that a dealer gladly took off my hands. Iím no expert so I apologize if this is nothing special. I donít know what the euro pattern sword could be and I also have a Chinese bronze dagger/sword not pictured (lots of fakes I understand). So does anyone know what I have here??

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Old 10th July 2019, 02:30 AM   #2
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Old 10th July 2019, 07:24 PM   #3
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Swords are not my area, but thereís a lot going on with that tang area.

Whatever construction type it was, the crossguard and/or basket/cup was multi-piece construction as a more typical crossguard with a central hole wonít slide on and get in that groove.

Iím not currently able to find anything of similar construction type.
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Old 10th July 2019, 09:49 PM   #4
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The overall shape reminds me of the Hudsen Bay trade blades, but yours looks longer and narrower than usual for them.
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Old 11th July 2019, 06:51 AM   #5
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Maybe itís not even a sword blade? Whatís the length and width of this thing? Maybe itís a spear point?
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Old 11th July 2019, 08:25 AM   #6
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Yes looks to be a trade blade , though I do agree its longer and narrower than any I have encountered so far . The tang cross piece is typical of these blades. I suspect it was one designed to be used as a lance or spear rather than a knife.
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Old 11th July 2019, 11:36 AM   #7
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Thickness is around 5.5mm.
Width is 30mm at widest.
Length is 20Ē overall and blade length only is 17Ē
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Old 11th July 2019, 07:48 PM   #8
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Yes looks to be a trade blade , though I do agree its longer and narrower than any I have encountered so far . The tang cross piece is typical of these blades. I suspect it was one designed to be used as a lance or spear rather than a knife.


By jove I think you got it there TRL!

In "Swords and Blades of the American Revolution" (1973, George Nuemann). p.225, 140.PA......there is a pike which seems blacksmith grade of c. 1775, found in Champlain Valley sites. This shows that curious extra bar, while this blade in OP shows better quality blade it does seem made 'in this manner' perhaps it is a European example possibly copied by a colonial blacksmith in the Nuemann example .
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