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Old 12th March 2018, 11:56 AM   #151
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Thanks, Willem! Makes you wonder what else is slipping under the radar...
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Old 12th March 2018, 05:40 PM   #152
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Thanks, Willem! Makes you wonder what else is slipping under the radar...


Still things to wish for indeed, waiting in someone's drawer or attic.
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Old 29th May 2019, 01:29 PM   #153
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Sewar with gold crown and suasa hilt
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Old 29th May 2019, 01:31 PM   #154
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Old 30th May 2019, 01:39 AM   #155
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A beautiful example! Would you please show pictures of the whole piece?
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Old 30th May 2019, 12:51 PM   #156
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Old 30th May 2019, 04:59 PM   #157
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Thank you so much!

One day when I grow up, I'll own an example just like this.

One more request: would you post a picture of the end of the pommel please?
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Old 30th May 2019, 07:47 PM   #158
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Unlike Jose, I have little hope of progressing to adulthood. If it hasn't happened yet, I doubt the day will arrive.

Meanwhile, a few pics of my crowned rencong. When I purchased it, I thought it was an unhappy marriage between blade and sheath. The seller told me that its rattling around in the large opening was typical of the are; I doubt it, as every other example of weaponry I have from the area is pretty snug. But who can say?

Anyway, there seems to be traces of gold in the punched decoration on one side of the piece. I assume the rest has been worn off over the years.
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Old 31st May 2019, 03:17 AM   #159
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Nice Bob. I agree - there was originally gold in those worn down engraved grooves.
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Old 31st May 2019, 12:27 PM   #160
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Old 1st June 2019, 08:19 PM   #161
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Thank you so much. I am a little surprised that the top is flat and plain.
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Old 2nd June 2019, 10:13 PM   #162
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What a lovely and fine enamel decoration on this sewar.
I like the suasa handle.
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Old 5th June 2019, 03:21 PM   #163
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Default Crowns on Aceh weapons revisited

Here is another siwaih - not quite up to the high standard of many of the others shown in this thread.
Black wood hilt with highlights of reddish brown (ebony?), black wood sheath with dugong ivory tip and ivory projection. 42 cm, blade 27 cm (9 mm thick at the base), hilt 10.5 cm. A band presumably missing an inch or so below the top of the sheath.
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Old 5th June 2019, 04:57 PM   #164
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Another wonder example, many thanks!

I would LOVE to have one of these!
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Old 5th June 2019, 05:04 PM   #165
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Black wood hilt with highlights of reddish brown (ebony?),.....


Very nice example, like Jose I would like to have such an example in my collection! And yes, I think it's ebony. It's a worthy wood and not cheaper as akhar bahar or ivory!

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Old 8th June 2019, 03:00 AM   #166
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I think you are right Detlef. As I re-examined the pictures, the material does look like makassar ebony at best (and purposely burned wood at the worst).

Almost makes me wonder if this was a replacement for broken akhar bahar or ivory.
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Old 8th June 2019, 09:17 PM   #167
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We really have to keep in mind that the most precious timbers can be more expensive and rarer than ivory or gold. In the good ol' days, the latter could be easily sourced if you had any decent amount of funds. Special wood like burl, especially with strong chatoyance, correct grain for carving, and possibly extra features needed to be searched for, cured for extended periods, and correctly selected by experienced artisans for the very task - it often wasn't at hand at the whim of the customer. If this hilt is antique, the selection of materials wasn't spurious...

I can't tell this wood from the pics. It seems to have rather large pores for any type of ebony. It might be one of the rarer hardwoods - tough to tell from pics!

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Old 8th June 2019, 09:21 PM   #168
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Tim asked me to extend thanks to all who responded!

He seems to have problems with logging in and I hope he'll be back soon.

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