Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons
FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 30th December 2023, 10:05 PM   #1
Pitt1999
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 91
Default A Maasai Bowie Knife?

I wanted to show my Maasai weapons to possibly get some age estimations on them. To me the smaller seme and the club are probably all mid 20th century or earlier while the largest seme with the medial ridge is probably late 19th to early 20th century. While unsheathing them I forgot about the strange Maasai sword that I had. Rather than having the typical double edged spatulate blade this one has a single edged blade with a sharpened clip point. It isn't very clear in the picture but the primary edge is chisel ground while the false edge is ground on both sides. Was this made for actual use by the Maasai or was this made for those who travel?
Attached Images
    
Pitt1999 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st December 2023, 12:09 PM   #2
Pertinax
Member
 
Pertinax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2023
Location: City by the Black Sea
Posts: 99
Default

Дату создания меча семе с лопаточными клинками сложно определить. Это отличный инструмент для разделки мяса, фруктов и овощей, расчистки густых лесов и охоты, используемый в основном народами Масаи и Ватута в Восточной Африке - Кения и Танзания (Занзибар).
Существует версия, что Масаи свои ножны красили в красный цвет. Это зарегистрировано было ещё лет 200 назад европейскими путешественниками и продолжается до сих пор. А вот их соседи Ватута красили в коричневый.
В Танзании и Кении для туристов предлагают большой выбор мечей, которые не отличаются от тех которые носят и используют Масаи. В 2020 г. я сам привез из Восточной Африки несколько подобных экземпляров. Отличительная особенность – кончик ножен заканчивается небольшим металлическим диском, позволяющий опираться на нож в ножнах, если его владелец сидит на корточках.

The date of creation of the seme sword with blade blades is difficult to determine. It is an excellent tool for cutting meat, fruits and vegetables, clearing dense forests and hunting, used mainly by the Maasai and Watuta peoples of East Africa - Kenya and Tanzania (Zanzibar).
There is a version that the Maasai painted their scabbards red. This was recorded 200 years ago by European travelers and continues to this day. But their neighbors Vatuta painted them brown.
In Tanzania and Kenya, tourists are offered a large selection of swords that are no different from those worn and used by the Maasai. In 2020, I myself brought several similar specimens from East Africa. A distinctive feature is that the tip of the sheath ends in a small metal disc, which allows you to rest on the knife in the sheath if its owner is squatting.
Attached Images
    
Pertinax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st December 2023, 12:50 PM   #3
milandro
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 419
Default

the way this is dressed is certainly Masai (including a number of other tribes that are in the same area but distinct ) , however the blade's shape is certainly anything but traditional.


This may be either a blade which has been inspired to a Western blade or a repurposed blade.

I have seen Masai " Seme" which were made from German made machetes
milandro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st December 2023, 12:58 PM   #4
Ian
Vikingsword Staff
 
Ian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: The Aussie Bush
Posts: 4,031
Default

Hi Pitt1999,

It's my understanding that the ones with a medial ridge are a more traditional and older form of the seme than the flat-bladed forms. That would fit with your estimates of age.

Some of the flat-bladed forms were made from imported British or German machetes, probably post-1900, while others were no doubt made locally (judging from their relatively crude forging). Again, this would fit with your age estimates.

The clipped point blade is a distinct oddity. It might be a rework of a broken/damaged blade, or one that had a forging flaw which needed to be removed. I've not seen a similar blade on a seme knife.
Ian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st December 2023, 03:45 PM   #5
wildwolberine
Member
 
wildwolberine's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2023
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 89
Default Maasai rungu

Sharing my two Maasai rungu. There was a discussion of these on the forums a few years ago. I’ve owned a few over the years. I try to acquire any that are legitimate burl/root ball examples or don’t violate the grain. The darker club is very similar to yours!
Attached Images
   
wildwolberine is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 31st December 2023, 08:06 PM   #6
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,494
Default

Here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=seme an interesting thread about the age of seme swords, also regarding middle rib on the blade.
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 01:48 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.