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Old 6th August 2017, 10:02 AM   #1
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Default Old Javanese keris for comment

Please comment on this Javanese Keris that appears to be old. The wrongko is pretty unusual. Any idea which part of Java this keris originate from?
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Old 6th August 2017, 10:36 PM   #2
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I do not know where this is from, what I do know is that it is mix of styles, but on the face of it, those styles seemed intended, as in, I doubt that this is a dealer's melange.

The blade is unremarkable, low quality work, but it does have a suggestion of Madura/East Jawa.

The top part of the scabbard (atasan, gambar) has a tendency towards Madura form, but it does not conform to any style that I have seen. I say that it leans to Madura because of those little bumps at each end --- some Madura ladrangs have a similar bump at one end, with the bump at the other end much less pronounced.

The pendok looks like Banyumas, but again, Madura pendoks sometimes have a lis (the little collar around the top), however, the motif is not like anything I would expect on a Madura pendok.

The mendak/selut looks like South Sumatera, but the scallops seem to have been aligned to the flat planes of the hilt, which is Central Javanese in style.

There is a tendency to drop things that we cannot clearly identify into a basket that nobody really knows the contents of, and there are a lot of towns and areas right across Jawa where people wore keris, but they were not under the direct influence of any kraton, so in these places styles can get a bit mixed up, or distorted.

But there is another place where people from over-populated Jawa and Madura went to settle and where they still wore keris, but when they made new dress for a keris they worked on memory and added enhancements that did not fit into the society from which they came.

That place was Kalimantan, the Indonesian part of Borneo.

This is a pure guess, as I said, I do not know where this keris is from, but I wonder if it might be able to be attributed to Kalimantan?
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Old 6th August 2017, 11:44 PM   #3
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The selut looks suassa to me.
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Old 7th August 2017, 02:16 AM   #4
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I thought the same. but it does not look like an adaptation, it looks like it was made for this hilt.
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Old 7th August 2017, 03:49 AM   #5
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Any comments on the Pendok - does it tend towards Solo or Jogja style?

I believe it is antique silver.
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Old 7th August 2017, 12:09 PM   #6
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Any comments on the Pendok - does it tend towards Solo or Jogja style?

I believe it is antique silver.
Hello Alexish,

Alan give already a hint towards Banyumas, Central Java. But for sure not Solo or Yogya IMVHO.

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Old 7th August 2017, 12:07 PM   #7
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The pendok looks like Banyumas, but again, Madura pendoks sometimes have a lis (the little collar around the top), however, the motif is not like anything I would expect on a Madura pendok.
Hello Alan,

would agree with you by the general style but is the top part not to much concave for a Banyumas pendok?

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