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Old 3rd June 2012, 04:41 PM   #1
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Default Oakeshott type XVIIIb with recurved arms

I always have found one of the nicest types of sword the long stabbing 2 hands sword, with recurved arms of the cross, Oakeshott type XVIIIb.
These swords were found in the literature and drawings from 1425 to about 1520, for example drawn by Albrecht Dürer and Martin Schoengrauer, see drawing Schoengrauer from 1475.
Historical examples of this type of sword are Wallace A467, nr 11829 Cluny, and the famous sword from the Bavarian National Museum, Munich (XVIIIa.5 ROMs).
Also some pictures from a true fighting sword in my collection, ex Gottlob Herbert Bidermann collection.
The sword length is 124cm, water discovery with the original handle intact.

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Old 3rd June 2012, 06:35 PM   #2
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The sword in the Musee Cluny.

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And the sword in Munich.

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thanks and wallace A467
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Old 29th July 2012, 09:13 AM   #5
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Altar wings. The three holy kings. Painters: Masters of Oberägeri altar Oberägeri. Tempera on wood frame: Wood. 1493 Origin: Oberägeri (ZG), Church of St. Peter and Paul consecrated 1493 Dimensions: height 191 cm, width 134.5 cm. (AG-17) Lit: 'L. Wüthrich / M. Ruoss, Catalogue of Paintings, Swiss National Museum, Zurich 1996 ', number 36
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Very nice ... both sword and painting.
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Thanks, Fernando
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Old 4th August 2012, 08:21 AM   #8
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German knights, black knights representing st maurice, wearing swords of the above mentioned type.
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What section pommel of this sword?
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What section pommel of this sword?
the pommel is a wheelpommel, oakeshott type H, with slight convex surfaces.

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Old 21st February 2015, 11:35 AM   #11
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sword of post #1
Total length cm/ blade length cm /cross cm/bladewidth@cross mm/grip mm

124/97.5/21.0/33/190

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Fantastic sword, I'm amazed at the great condition, for a "water find". It still is beautiful!
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Old 23rd February 2015, 10:53 AM   #13
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actually for a waterfind the surface of this sword is somewhat oxidized.

In General, subject that there was no contact with the organic material, swords are better preserved under water than in the soil.

some come "as new" from the water after hundreds of years, fe some of the viking swords found in the river Ouse/UK in Records of the mediëval sword/Oakeshott, and other Ouse finds which have been in contact with organic material totally excavated.


for a very good water preserved sword, see for example:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=9989

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Many thanks for information on a sword!
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Old 2nd March 2015, 12:56 AM   #15
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Thanks for posting this. As a student of longsword fencing I am very interested in these historic examples. Do you mind telling the sword's weight please?
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Thanks for posting this. As a student of longsword fencing I am very interested in these historic examples. Do you mind telling the sword's weight please?
I'm sorry, I can give you the weight until March 2016.
the sword is on loan to the Solingen Blade museum in Germany for an exhibition this year.

I guess somewhere around 800 grams.

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