Barong from ebay

Sajen · 25th October 2011, 06:32 PM

Hello members,

yesterday I bought by ebay this barong :http://www.ebay.com/itm/250913086027...84.m1497.l2649

The pictures from the seller are not the best ones but maybe you can share your thoughts about it with me. The ferrule is demaged a little bit but I think that it will be easy to repair this and I plan to fill it with resin again.

Thank you,

Detlef

VANDOO · 26th October 2011, 12:21 AM

IT LOOKS LIKE A GOOD PROJECT TO ME. NOT TOO MUCH WORK TO GET IT LOOKING GOOD AND PERHAPS A CLEANING AND ETCH OF THE BLADE MAY REVEAL A PATTERN. EITHER WAY NOT A BAD DEAL AT THE PRICE. CONGRADULATIONS. I LOOK FORWARD TO PICTURES WHEN YOU GET IT CLEANED UP.

carlos · 26th October 2011, 07:19 AM

Very good adquisition!! I´m sure that with a little of work you will have a beautiful barong in yor collection!!
Congratulations
carlos

Indianajones · 26th October 2011, 11:28 AM

Hi Detlef, how are you? Perhaps you can use a spoon to bend the silver(?) ferrule back into its rounding?! What would you use as resin? (I always make resin by grinding a piece of BBQ charcoal fine, mix with woodglue. But this will turn very hard when dry; but perhaps not so suitable for ur 'job')
Good luck friend. Always a joy to turn an 'ugly duck' into an 'elegant swan'
Best, Wouter

Spunjer · 26th October 2011, 03:52 PM

this thread should be helpful:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=80

Sajen · 29th October 2011, 12:46 PM

Thank you all for your kind words and tips!

Will show better pictures when I received the barong and also the steps of restauration.

BTW, could it be a Samal barong?

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 29th October 2011, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianajones

Hi Detlef, how are you?
Best, Wouter

Hi Wouter,

to much work at the moment!

But don't forget you!!

Regards,

Detlef

Lew · 29th October 2011, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Thank you all for your kind words and tips!

Will show better pictures when I received the barong and also the steps of restauration.

BTW, could it be a Samal barong?

Regards,

Detlef

Yup looks just like the one I have that is Samal for sure

Sajen · 29th October 2011, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lew

Yup looks just like the one I have that is Samal for sure

Thank's!!

Sajen · 12th November 2011, 03:12 PM

Yesterday I received the barong and I am pleased with it, special by the price I paid for. The front crest of the banati wood pommel is old broken what wasen't clearly to seen by the sellers pictures. The sleeve isn't from silver but from an alloy which is unknown for me, I think a german silver alloy. The wooden pommel is oiled with a good wood oil and shows a nice grain and good patina. The ferrule is bend out and need still a little care but is polished. The blade is partly polished and still need an etch. I will try to use the mixture Indianajones suggested for the resin alternative. Will post pictures when all work is done.

Regards,

Detlef

kronckew · 12th November 2011, 05:15 PM

gorgeous,

can't wait to see the blade etch, the photos seem to have hints of activity, maybe wishfull thinking.

p.s. - superglue works wonders on hairline cracks in wood hilts. keep wicking it in till it's full then it can be sanded or trimmed flush & crack is essentially gone forever.

Sajen · 12th November 2011, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

gorgeous,

can't wait to see the blade etch, the photos seem to have hints of activity, maybe wishfull thinking.

p.s. - superglue works wonders on hairline cracks in wood hilts. keep wicking it in till it's full then it can be sanded or trimmed flush & crack is essentially gone forever.

Thank you for your kind words, hope as well to see a laminated blade!

I am not a fan of superglue by restoration and the cracks are very minor. I have oiled the wood and hope that the cracks don't become bigger and the patina is very nice and will be going by sanding.

Regards,

Detlef

kronckew · 13th November 2011, 07:39 AM

if they're not structurally significant, i'd not use superglue either

Sajen · 18th December 2011, 03:14 PM

Just etched the blade and was positively surprised since the blade have a very nice lamination. Now only need to fill again the open space from the ferrule. Will post pictures when all work is done. I think the investment from 70$ was ok!

Spunjer · 18th December 2011, 03:33 PM

beautiful pattern, sajen! what did you use to etch?

Sajen · 18th December 2011, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunjer

beautiful pattern, sajen! what did you use to etch?

Hi Spunjer,

I have used vinegar. Heated the blade and the vinegar as well.

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 5th February 2012, 10:34 AM

All work is done now! I have used the mixture Indiana suggested. What do you think?

Regards,

Detlef

Indianajones · 5th February 2012, 01:57 PM

Hi Detlef,
well nice result for so far, not? I would perhaps carefully cut off the black resin going over the 'edges' and as it looks a bit dry -in comparisson to how the resin should look- put a bit brown wax on it (just on the black resin) (and some dust?).

B.tw. if the blade was forged with 'layers' it would still clearly have been visible when you bought it. The blade would have a yellowish hue (sometimes rainbowhues) and show thin black outlined 'clouds'.
The silverish metal is probably a well used mixture of silver and nickel, obtained from melting down coins.

Your "tribal town-neighbour" (you know who I mean!?) has a nice barong with layers I believe at the moment.

Best greets, Walter

Sajen · 5th February 2012, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianajones

Hi Detlef,
well nice result for so far, not? I would perhaps carefully cut off the black resin going over the 'edges' and as it looks a bit dry -in comparisson to how the resin should look- put a bit brown wax on it (just on the black resin) (and some dust?).
Best greets, Walter

Hi Wouter,

yes, I am as well pleased by the result! Thank you for the tip.

I have to repeat it two times, the first time it was very shrunken when it was really dry. The photo was taken today and I have done it the second time yesterday evening so I suppose that it still will shrunk. A little bit afterwork will be done when it is dry complete.

Sajen · 5th February 2012, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianajones

B.tw. if the blade was forged with 'layers' it would still clearly have been visible when you bought it. The blade would have a yellowish hue (sometimes rainbowhues) and show thin black outlined 'clouds'.
The silverish metal is probably a well used mixture of silver and nickel, obtained from melting down coins.

Believe me or not, it wasn't visible, look the pictures in # 10.

Sajen · 5th February 2012, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianajones

Your "tribal town-neighbour" (you know who I mean!?) has a nice barong with layers I believe at the moment.

Best greets, Walter

Hi Wouter,

yes of course I know who you mean. He have not only one, so far I know he have two or three, two I have hold in my hands, very nice examples and much better as mine!

Greets,

Detlef

Indianajones · 7th February 2012, 11:00 AM

Hi, thought to share some pics of a layered-forged Barong blade -or how d heck does one call it?!?- as it is totally untouched for decades (no use of vinegar at all). Still sharp as . . . . . well one can easily shave with it

.

Although it looks the small handle protusion below has been broken, they are actually thread-remains as the top of the handle once also had some sort of woven covering (like the black bands).
Greets

Spunjer · 7th February 2012, 01:37 PM

excellent job, detlef!!!

Sajen · 7th February 2012, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunjer

excellent job, detlef!!!

Thank you very much!!

Sajen · 7th February 2012, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianajones

Hi, thought to share some pics of a layered-forged Barong blade -or how d heck does one call it?!?- as it is totally untouched for decades (no use of vinegar at all). Still sharp as . . . . . well one can easily shave with it

.

Although it looks the small handle protusion below has been broken, they are actually thread-remains as the top of the handle once also had some sort of woven covering (like the black bands).
Greets

Hi Wouter,

think that it received an etch at one point in it's history. Beautiful blade!

Greets,

Detlef

Indianajones · 8th February 2012, 02:22 PM

R' you gonna make a scabbard for your 'baby' ? I like that protusion on top of the handle, almost like a hens' comb (you know, that lobe on top of a hens' head). They do like a good hens' fight overthere! It also has a nice wellused patine.

Thankfully the scabbards for these are quite simple to make; 2 boards cut in the particular form, scrape away the form of the blade from both boardsurfaces n bind the two together with some loose rattan from your old garden chair (IF you got rattan gardenchairs! he he he). Voilah!!

Actually this sounds much more fun than buying one in good condition!

'hands-on-antiques'
Also saw your other lowland? tenegre; your getting a nice Philippine arms collection!
Succes!

Sajen · 8th February 2012, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianajones

R' you gonna make a scabbard for your 'baby' ? I like that protusion on top of the handle, almost like a hens' comb (you know, that lobe on top of a hens' head). They do like a good hens' fight overthere! It also has a nice wellused patine.

Thankfully the scabbards for these are quite simple to make; 2 boards cut in the particular form, scrape away the form of the blade from both boardsurfaces n bind the two together with some loose rattan from your old garden chair (IF you got rattan gardenchairs! he he he). Voilah!!

Actually this sounds much more fun than buying one in good condition!

'hands-on-antiques'
Also saw your other lowland? tenegre; your getting a nice Philippine arms collection!
Succes!

Hi Wouter,

when I will have one day boredom it will be a project!

Have still a very nice antique sheath but this one don't fit.

Greets,

Detlef

kronckew · 8th February 2012, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianajones

...I like that protusion on top of the handle, almost like a hens' comb (you know, that lobe on top of a hens' head)...

they get called 'kakatua' grips, for their resemblance to a cockatoo (kakatua) head.

the bits tend to get broken off tho. this thread, tho old, has a lot of barong rebuild tips... LINKY

it also shows this member's barong with all it's kakatua bits, as well as a newly made silver one for a restoration.

Robert · 9th February 2012, 10:12 AM

Detlef, Congratulations on the very nice restoration work that you have done. Now that you have it looking so good I am looking forward to seeing how you do on making a new scabbard for it. Please keep us posted on its progress.

Robert

CharlesS · 9th February 2012, 01:24 PM

Nice job Detlef!!

25th October 2011, 06:32 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,522	Barong from ebay Hello members, yesterday I bought by ebay this barong :http://www.ebay.com/itm/250913086027...84.m1497.l2649 The pictures from the seller are not the best ones but maybe you can share your thoughts about it with me. The ferrule is demaged a little bit but I think that it will be easy to repair this and I plan to fill it with resin again. Thank you, Detlef Attached Images Last edited by Sajen; 25th October 2011 at 06:44 PM.

29th October 2011, 12:46 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,522	Thank you all for your kind words and tips! Will show better pictures when I received the barong and also the steps of restauration. BTW, could it be a Samal barong? Regards, Detlef Last edited by Sajen; 29th October 2011 at 01:33 PM.

12th November 2011, 03:12 PM	#10
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,522	Yesterday I received the barong and I am pleased with it, special by the price I paid for. The front crest of the banati wood pommel is old broken what wasen't clearly to seen by the sellers pictures. The sleeve isn't from silver but from an alloy which is unknown for me, I think a german silver alloy. The wooden pommel is oiled with a good wood oil and shows a nice grain and good patina. The ferrule is bend out and need still a little care but is polished. The blade is partly polished and still need an etch. I will try to use the mixture Indianajones suggested for the resin alternative. Will post pictures when all work is done. Regards, Detlef Attached Images

18th December 2011, 03:14 PM	#14
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,522	Just etched the blade and was positively surprised since the blade have a very nice lamination. Now only need to fill again the open space from the ferrule. Will post pictures when all work is done. I think the investment from 70$ was ok! Attached Images

5th February 2012, 10:34 AM	#17
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,522	All work is done now! I have used the mixture Indiana suggested. What do you think? Regards, Detlef Attached Images

26th October 2011, 12:21 AM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	IT LOOKS LIKE A GOOD PROJECT TO ME. NOT TOO MUCH WORK TO GET IT LOOKING GOOD AND PERHAPS A CLEANING AND ETCH OF THE BLADE MAY REVEAL A PATTERN. EITHER WAY NOT A BAD DEAL AT THE PRICE. CONGRADULATIONS. I LOOK FORWARD TO PICTURES WHEN YOU GET IT CLEANED UP.

26th October 2011, 07:19 AM	#3
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 731	Very good adquisition!! I´m sure that with a little of work you will have a beautiful barong in yor collection!! Congratulations carlos

26th October 2011, 11:28 AM	#4
Indianajones Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 180	Hi Detlef, how are you? Perhaps you can use a spoon to bend the silver(?) ferrule back into its rounding?! What would you use as resin? (I always make resin by grinding a piece of BBQ charcoal fine, mix with woodglue. But this will turn very hard when dry; but perhaps not so suitable for ur 'job') Good luck friend. Always a joy to turn an 'ugly duck' into an 'elegant swan' Best, Wouter

26th October 2011, 03:52 PM	#5
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	this thread should be helpful: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=80

12th November 2011, 05:15 PM	#11
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,152	gorgeous, can't wait to see the blade etch, the photos seem to have hints of activity, maybe wishfull thinking. p.s. - superglue works wonders on hairline cracks in wood hilts. keep wicking it in till it's full then it can be sanded or trimmed flush & crack is essentially gone forever.

13th November 2011, 07:39 AM	#13
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,152	if they're not structurally significant, i'd not use superglue either

18th December 2011, 03:33 PM	#15
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	beautiful pattern, sajen! what did you use to etch?

5th February 2012, 01:57 PM	#18
Indianajones Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 180	Hi Detlef, well nice result for so far, not? I would perhaps carefully cut off the black resin going over the 'edges' and as it looks a bit dry -in comparisson to how the resin should look- put a bit brown wax on it (just on the black resin) (and some dust?). B.tw. if the blade was forged with 'layers' it would still clearly have been visible when you bought it. The blade would have a yellowish hue (sometimes rainbowhues) and show thin black outlined 'clouds'. The silverish metal is probably a well used mixture of silver and nickel, obtained from melting down coins. Your "tribal town-neighbour" (you know who I mean!?) has a nice barong with layers I believe at the moment. Best greets, Walter

7th February 2012, 11:00 AM	#22
Indianajones Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 180	Hi, thought to share some pics of a layered-forged Barong blade -or how d heck does one call it?!?- as it is totally untouched for decades (no use of vinegar at all). Still sharp as . . . . . well one can easily shave with it . Although it looks the small handle protusion below has been broken, they are actually thread-remains as the top of the handle once also had some sort of woven covering (like the black bands). Greets Attached Images

7th February 2012, 01:37 PM	#23
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	excellent job, detlef!!!

8th February 2012, 02:22 PM	#26
Indianajones Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 180	R' you gonna make a scabbard for your 'baby' ? I like that protusion on top of the handle, almost like a hens' comb (you know, that lobe on top of a hens' head). They do like a good hens' fight overthere! It also has a nice wellused patine. Thankfully the scabbards for these are quite simple to make; 2 boards cut in the particular form, scrape away the form of the blade from both boardsurfaces n bind the two together with some loose rattan from your old garden chair (IF you got rattan gardenchairs! he he he). Voilah!! Actually this sounds much more fun than buying one in good condition! 'hands-on-antiques' Also saw your other lowland? tenegre; your getting a nice Philippine arms collection! Succes!

9th February 2012, 10:12 AM	#29
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Detlef, Congratulations on the very nice restoration work that you have done. Now that you have it looking so good I am looking forward to seeing how you do on making a new scabbard for it. Please keep us posted on its progress. Robert

9th February 2012, 01:24 PM	#30
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,855	Nice job Detlef!!