Need help with identifying Moroccan Koummya

[milandro]

if this is an old piece the color of the metal and the fact that it shows as being very crisply chiselled would be extraordinary. There is no sign of use and that would be extraordinary in an old piece.

I think this is a high quality modern piece.

Older pieces look rubbed in places.

It certainly looks like it may be Hebrew (which I read a bit) but if that is the case it is a number probably showing the year according to the Jewish tradition.
The writing is a bit indistinct and I read a year that , if true , would be ancient so I doubt it.


calculate yourself here


http://creounity.com/apps/time_machi...el.php&lang=en

these are two museum pieces

[Sajen]

I would be careful to label this piece as recent. I think that high-quality koummyas have long been given as gifts to diplomats.
However, I am not an expert in this area. Not all old koummyas have been worn.
And yes, I personally would clean the wood.
Regards,
Detlef

[milandro]

but regardless to whom they were given they cannot fight the passing of time and this really doesn't look that old, old metal ages and this looks very crispy


I think that they may very well be the '40.


anyway here another thread where the silver markings are discussed

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15807

I've done some research


The rams head is originally a French Hallmark which was used to mark Moroccan Silver from 1925.... onwards !

this site says it was used until the end of the 20th century

Tête de bélier

https://poincons.interor.fr/tete-de-...poincon-maroc/

[Ian]

Abu-Mansourah, I agree with Detlef. This piece could be 100 years old—never worn and placed in a drawer or cupboard where it was not subjected to any damage. The amount of oxidation was considerable judging from the "before" pictures, and that is what old, long ignored silver looks like. It's a nice item and you have done some good research on it.

[Bob A]

The silver work is of high quality, and the attachment hardware looks pretty old-school to me. I'd have put this as no later than early 20th century.
I'm not up on hallmarks, but it would appear to put the dagger in the approximate era of my guesstimate.

Nice dagger, BTW.

[milandro]

if you follow the link I gave it says that the ram's head was introduced in 1925 and kept for the 20th century.

The French domination of Morocco started in 1912 and ended in 1956


it says /www.saxontheweb.net/threads/italian-sax-master-tenor.384819/


Tete de belier – poinçon MAROC
Poinçon de garantie du titre employé depuis le Dahir du 1er octobre 1925 dans les bureaux de contrôle du Maroc à la marque des ouvrages en argent d'un titre minimum de 800 millièmes. Les essais ont lieu au touchau.

Siécle de début: 20 – Siécle de fin: 20


Ram’s head – MOROCCO hallmark
Hallmark guaranteeing the title used since the Dahir of October 1, 1925 in the control offices of Morocco to mark silver works with a minimum title of 800 thousandths. The tests take place at the touchau.

Beginning century: 20 – Ending century: 20

[Sajen]

Eric Claude shows in his book "The Small Catalog of Moroccan and Algerian Weapons" several high quality koummyas in silver and gold from the second half of the 20th century. The piece in question is highly collectible regardless of it's age. But I've seen a koummya from the first half of the 20th century, also high quality, still in it's presentation box, completely unused.
By accident I recently also purchased a koummya complete in silver with gold accents. Sadly I can't find a hallmark.

Regards,
Detlef