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Old 5th May 2012, 07:50 PM   #1
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This is one of my first two kerises. The blade was in horrendous shape and I recently decided to see what pineapple juice would do with it. It took a bit over two weeks and I decided to take it out today. Here is before:
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Old 5th May 2012, 07:51 PM   #2
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Now, here it is today:
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Old 6th May 2012, 12:39 AM   #3
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I didn't see much rust originally on this one and no amount of soaking was going to improve the eroded texture on the blade. Frankly i liked it better when the blade was still black from the last warangan treatment. It had a dark mystery to it then.
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Old 6th May 2012, 09:30 AM   #4
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The soaking did improve the eroded texture a bit IMO so I find it positive. Notice the tip of the blade made from a different metal (replaced or original harder steel?).
The most interesting feature of this kris is the sheath which looks to originate from Banjarmasin in South Kalimantan so the whole kris may be from there except the hilt, a rare find, congratulations!
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The soaking did improve the eroded texture a bit IMO so I find it positive. Notice the tip of the blade made from a different metal (replaced or original harder steel?).
The most interesting feature of this kris is the sheath which looks to originate from Banjarmasin in South Kalimantan so the whole kris may be from there except the hilt, a rare find, congratulations!
Thank you Jean.

That's why I included the shot of the tip. As the blade soaked, this detail became more apparent and interesting. That metal appears more porous and is no where else on the blade but the tip.

Thanks also for the tip on the sheath, I'll research that and try to match things.

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Old 6th May 2012, 04:13 PM   #6
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Thank you Jean.

That's why I included the shot of the tip. As the blade soaked, this detail became more apparent and interesting. That metal appears more porous and is no where else on the blade but the tip.
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In Java some blades with a similar type of rebuilt tip (may be made from hard tungsten carbide?) are used by kris sellers for punching and lifting coins for the amazement of tourists... You may test it with your blade but not with a gold coin!
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In Java some blades with a similar type of rebuilt tip (may be made from hard tungsten carbide?) are used by kris sellers for punching and lifting coins for the amazement of tourists... You may test it with your blade but not with a gold coin!
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Sorry Jean, not a good tip! Most of the time I have seen this there was used aluminium coins (soft metal). When the tip of the blade from Dan isn't hard enough the blade from Dan can be bend. Better don't try.
BTW, I think it is the core of the blade what we can see black but unsure by this.

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Old 6th May 2012, 05:49 PM   #8
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Okay - this is interesting. If you look at the pre-soak pictures, you can see that someone filed down the tip to make it more pointed - it is shiny. I'll take a picture of the other side of the blade for reference.

I too think it may be the core, but with an untrained eye, I could not be sure.

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Here are the pictures:
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Old 6th May 2012, 06:39 PM   #10
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I think we're looking at the slorok exposed ..
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Old 6th May 2012, 07:35 PM   #11
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Yes, I think that I see some filing marks. Someone apparently reshaped the tip a little bit ...
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Sorry Jean, not a good tip! Most of the time I have seen this there was used aluminium coins (soft metal). When the tip of the blade from Dan isn't hard enough the blade from Dan can be bend. Better don't try.
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From memory I saw it done with nickel coins but I agree that it should not be tested! From the detailed pictures the tip of the blade may just have been reshaped indeed.
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