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Old 3rd May 2014, 06:07 PM   #1
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Good afternoon

Here my babies
I need your help to identify the second one from the top.
Is it a Persian shamshir?
and the date, 19 or 18th??
Do you know some shamshir with such inlay in the metal?
It's a kind of cooper...

Merci choukran thanks
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Old 4th May 2014, 05:07 AM   #2
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Hello Kubur, I really believe that to receive the information that you are requesting clearer and more detailed photos of the sword in question are going to be needed.

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Old 11th May 2014, 05:27 PM   #3
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Thanks Robert.
I will post photos in a new post.
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Old 11th May 2014, 05:46 PM   #4
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Dear All,

I need your help to identify this sword.
I hopre it is a Persian shamshir.
But which date, 19 or 18th??

Do you know some shamshir with such inlay in the metal?
It's a kind of cooper...

Many thanks for help
cheers
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Old 13th May 2014, 06:43 PM   #5
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No idea?????
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Old 14th May 2014, 12:44 AM   #6
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This is Northern Indian work, with a lot of stylistic juxtaposition. It's hilted in the Persian style but with more Central Asian-type leather-covered wooden grips. The blade has both Persian (lack of broadened ricasso and lenticular section) and Ottoman (distinct yelman or backedge) influence, as well as some sort of profiling to the spine. The brass inlay emulates inscriptions and perhaps fullering. It probably dates in the first half of the 19th century, getting on toward 1850. Swords of this type are often associated with Sind and Afghanistan.
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Old 14th May 2014, 09:04 AM   #7
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This is Northern Indian work, with a lot of stylistic juxtaposition. It's hilted in the Persian style but with more Central Asian-type leather-covered wooden grips. The blade has both Persian (lack of broadened ricasso and lenticular section) and Ottoman (distinct yelman or backedge) influence, as well as some sort of profiling to the spine. The brass inlay emulates inscriptions and perhaps fullering. It probably dates in the first half of the 19th century, getting on toward 1850. Swords of this type are often associated with Sind and Afghanistan.


Thanks again Olivier
I fully agree.
The grip looks like Central Asia, caucasus.
The general style is Persian.
And the design on the blade looks like a sword published by Tirri.
At the beginning of his book, he mentions a sword of Lawrence of Arabia
This Sword is Indian with almost the same design on the blade.

Now my question is:
Do we know the meaning of this design / symbol???
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