Sousson Pata

taube · 6th October 2015, 02:05 PM

Gentlemen,

what are yout thoughts on this eaxample?
I am seeing a somewhat tormented blade.
Still collectable?

Thanks in advance,
Taube.

Gavin Nugent · 6th October 2015, 10:43 PM

Taube,

Collectable is a matter of your personal choices and tastes.

At face value the sword is not a Sousson Pata but a Rajut Kirach modified to appear more like a Khanda as can be seen by the blade shape, especially the tip, the cutting edge and the partially sharpened back edge.

Jens may drop in and add further detail.

Gavin

taube · 7th October 2015, 05:20 PM

Thanks, Gavin!

Gavin Nugent · 8th October 2015, 01:10 AM

Your welcome Taube,

After further viewing, I can also tell you that the blade has been removed at some point and placed back in incorrectly. It should be turned 180 degrees.
There is a small part of me that thinks this may have actually been a sabre/tulwar blade rather than a kirach too, a sabre blade that has been straightened...but without it in hand it is only a suspicion based on the photos.

Gavin

Rick · 8th October 2015, 04:09 AM

Viewing the surface of the blade I can understand your suspicion, Gav .

Looks more beat up than it should be .

Jim McDougall · 8th October 2015, 05:07 AM

I agree with Gav and Rick as well, this Udaipur Rajasthan type tulwar hilt is probably 19th c. and one quillon seems to have been repaired badly. The sabre blade is as noted backwards with the notable Indian ricasso emphasizing this, The distortion of the blade and rebated tip are even more bizarre.

Taube, any kind of weapon is collectible according to the interests of the collector. I have seen many very strange assemblies from often remote colonial circumstances where virtually everything is recycled. Every weapon has a story, and something like this sets the mind to wonder. Clearly it was worked on to use, and not to deceive as it is too crudely done.

taube · 8th October 2015, 08:51 AM

Thanks all for your thoughts.
The area that I originates from is a plus for me.
I will place an offer and show more
photos in case I succeed in buying.

Best,
taube.

taube · 6th November 2015, 08:22 AM

Finally, I was able to get the sword at a price that is not too risky.
The sword weighs 910 gramms and finds its balance some 8cm from the hilt.
Definitely a reworked piece but hopefully not tourists food?
It displays nicely at least.

Cheers,
taube.

taube · 6th November 2015, 08:24 AM

Some more pics.

6th October 2015, 02:05 PM	#1
taube Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 45	Sousson Pata Gentlemen, what are yout thoughts on this eaxample? I am seeing a somewhat tormented blade. Still collectable? Thanks in advance, Taube. Attached Images

6th November 2015, 08:22 AM	#8
taube Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 45	Finally, I was able to get the sword at a price that is not too risky. The sword weighs 910 gramms and finds its balance some 8cm from the hilt. Definitely a reworked piece but hopefully not tourists food? It displays nicely at least. Cheers, taube. Attached Images

6th November 2015, 08:24 AM	#9
taube Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 45	Some more pics. Attached Images

6th October 2015, 10:43 PM	#2
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Taube, Collectable is a matter of your personal choices and tastes. At face value the sword is not a Sousson Pata but a Rajut Kirach modified to appear more like a Khanda as can be seen by the blade shape, especially the tip, the cutting edge and the partially sharpened back edge. Jens may drop in and add further detail. Gavin

7th October 2015, 05:20 PM	#3
taube Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 45	Thanks, Gavin!

8th October 2015, 01:10 AM	#4
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Your welcome Taube, After further viewing, I can also tell you that the blade has been removed at some point and placed back in incorrectly. It should be turned 180 degrees. There is a small part of me that thinks this may have actually been a sabre/tulwar blade rather than a kirach too, a sabre blade that has been straightened...but without it in hand it is only a suspicion based on the photos. Gavin

8th October 2015, 04:09 AM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	Viewing the surface of the blade I can understand your suspicion, Gav . Looks more beat up than it should be .

8th October 2015, 05:07 AM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,738	I agree with Gav and Rick as well, this Udaipur Rajasthan type tulwar hilt is probably 19th c. and one quillon seems to have been repaired badly. The sabre blade is as noted backwards with the notable Indian ricasso emphasizing this, The distortion of the blade and rebated tip are even more bizarre. Taube, any kind of weapon is collectible according to the interests of the collector. I have seen many very strange assemblies from often remote colonial circumstances where virtually everything is recycled. Every weapon has a story, and something like this sets the mind to wonder. Clearly it was worked on to use, and not to deceive as it is too crudely done.

8th October 2015, 08:51 AM	#7
taube Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 45	Thanks all for your thoughts. The area that I originates from is a plus for me. I will place an offer and show more photos in case I succeed in buying. Best, taube.