Mecca Style Jambiya Heirloom; your expertise needed!

PAS · 3rd September 2017, 08:07 PM

Dear All, I inherited this Jambiya that used to belong to my Great Grandfather. He was quite the character and used to trade between East Africa and Arabia. He also used to own land in what is now the expanded area around the Kaaba in Mecca. Ever since I held this dagger it has intrigued me and after having it polished it intrigues me even more. Could you please help furnish me with details such as the social significance of such a piece, its age, provenance etc.

Details: Hilt-ivory and silver, there could have been more to it before. The ivory is of a yellow hue now.
Scabbard-not sure what the base material is but heavy silver fillegree
Blade-still sharp after decades, gives a low 'thunk' sound when played with finger
Age-not sure but before 1960

shayde78 · 4th September 2017, 03:13 AM

A nice looking piece!
Could you please provide some measurements?
Thanks

Kubur · 4th September 2017, 07:29 AM

Hi,

You have a beautiful and old jambiya.
It's not a Meccan jambiya.
So-called Meccan jambiya... I have to take care or someone will open a thread "the Meccan jambiya the weapon that never existed"...

You have an Assib abdi style jambiya from the Hadhramawt.
Maybe collected in Aden or Shihr.
You should post a good photo of the hilt.
It might be ivory, but also rhino or amber... it's difficult to see from a distance...
Do you have an Arabic inscription on the scabbard, just above the knot?
For the date I will say around 1900 (1880-1920).

Lucky you
Kubur

PAS · 9th September 2017, 02:14 PM

Thanks for the info, very interesting indeed. So could one say that this would have been made by the old Jewish silversmiths of the region? In terms of dimensions the daggers out of the scabbard is about 30cm. Better photos of the hilt attached below.

A.alnakkas · 9th September 2017, 04:09 PM

a lovely piece. As mentioned by Kubur this style is called Abdi and it is made in a rather wide geographical area from Yemen to Hijaz.

One of the most known makers of this style is from Hadramaut known as Bakatyan and the family still makes wonderful work. Not sure if yours is made by them, is there any inscription?

BANDOOK · 11th September 2017, 12:27 PM

Greetings,Such type of silver work has also been seen in Jambiyas from Kutch,Gujarat ,India
In Bhuj there were many famous silver smiths who did beautiful work such as this example due to old trade routes
Regards
Rajesh

PAS · 28th September 2017, 06:36 PM

Thank you for the info, I couldn't find any inscriptions on the scabbard. As you can see I posted images of the hilt as requested, any insights into the material?

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 29th September 2017, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by PAS

Thank you for the info, I couldn't find any inscriptions on the scabbard. As you can see I posted images of the hilt as requested, any insights into the material?

As noted It does seem to be quite a high quality weapon perhaps indicating Jewish work. For a specialist view on these daggers I suggest the Book ...The new complete book by Stephen Gracie on these fascinating daggers – the result of years of collecting and many trips to Yemen.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 30th September 2017, 11:22 PM

See also http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/printthread.php?t=10798

3rd September 2017, 08:07 PM	#1
PAS Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 3	Mecca Style Jambiya Heirloom; your expertise needed! Dear All, I inherited this Jambiya that used to belong to my Great Grandfather. He was quite the character and used to trade between East Africa and Arabia. He also used to own land in what is now the expanded area around the Kaaba in Mecca. Ever since I held this dagger it has intrigued me and after having it polished it intrigues me even more. Could you please help furnish me with details such as the social significance of such a piece, its age, provenance etc. Details: Hilt-ivory and silver, there could have been more to it before. The ivory is of a yellow hue now. Scabbard-not sure what the base material is but heavy silver fillegree Blade-still sharp after decades, gives a low 'thunk' sound when played with finger Age-not sure but before 1960 Attached Images

9th September 2017, 02:14 PM	#4
PAS Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 3	Thanks for the info, very interesting indeed. So could one say that this would have been made by the old Jewish silversmiths of the region? In terms of dimensions the daggers out of the scabbard is about 30cm. Better photos of the hilt attached below. Attached Images

4th September 2017, 03:13 AM	#2
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 443	A nice looking piece! Could you please provide some measurements? Thanks

4th September 2017, 07:29 AM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi, You have a beautiful and old jambiya. It's not a Meccan jambiya. So-called Meccan jambiya... I have to take care or someone will open a thread "the Meccan jambiya the weapon that never existed"... You have an Assib abdi style jambiya from the Hadhramawt. Maybe collected in Aden or Shihr. You should post a good photo of the hilt. It might be ivory, but also rhino or amber... it's difficult to see from a distance... Do you have an Arabic inscription on the scabbard, just above the knot? For the date I will say around 1900 (1880-1920). Lucky you Kubur

9th September 2017, 04:09 PM	#5
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,338	a lovely piece. As mentioned by Kubur this style is called Abdi and it is made in a rather wide geographical area from Yemen to Hijaz. One of the most known makers of this style is from Hadramaut known as Bakatyan and the family still makes wonderful work. Not sure if yours is made by them, is there any inscription?

11th September 2017, 12:27 PM	#6
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	Greetings,Such type of silver work has also been seen in Jambiyas from Kutch,Gujarat ,India In Bhuj there were many famous silver smiths who did beautiful work such as this example due to old trade routes Regards Rajesh

28th September 2017, 06:36 PM	#7
PAS Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 3	Thank you for the info, I couldn't find any inscriptions on the scabbard. As you can see I posted images of the hilt as requested, any insights into the material?

30th September 2017, 11:22 PM	#9
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	See also http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/printthread.php?t=10798