Blade Info needed

Battara · 15th June 2007, 06:20 PM

These blades belong to someone else. He would them to be restored. Are both of them Javanese? (Is my ignorance showing?

)

Any suggestions for dressing them?

Thanks

Henk · 16th June 2007, 07:18 AM

I would say both blades are Javanese. A Solo dress for both of them would fit best.

cahaya · 17th June 2007, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

These blades belong to someone else. He would them to be restored. Are both of them Javanese? (Is my ignorance showing?

)

Any suggestions for dressing them?

Thanks

Hai Batara...
nice keris...
can you take a close up (detail picture) for keris number 2 (keris with 13 shape, puthut?)

thanks
cahaya

Battara · 18th June 2007, 05:46 PM

Thank you Henk.

Cahaya I'm afraid that is all I have. I will see if I can get some close ups. What sections do you need?

cahaya · 19th June 2007, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Thank you Henk.

Cahaya I'm afraid that is all I have. I will see if I can get some close ups. What sections do you need?

Hai,
Batara...i want to see the bottom/"sor-sor" from the keris (in 3 position)

thanks

Battara · 28th June 2007, 01:33 AM

Ok here are some pictures of what I think you want Cahaya.

A. G. Maisey · 28th June 2007, 03:06 AM

This blade is current era Madura production, possibly from a few years ago, say ten or 15 years ago.

PenangsangII · 28th June 2007, 03:53 AM

Thanks Alan for clearing this up. I had a few of the mass produced maduran that I bought when I started collecting keris. Because of my ignorance, and the dealers greed, I paid more than USD 500.00 a piece. The quality was slightly higher than those non-pamored tourist craps often locally produced. I guess I was taken for a ride - big time. Never mind, I learned my lesson

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Battara · 1st July 2007, 07:11 PM

So now they are Madurese rather than Javanese. Does this mean that they need Madura dress?

Rick · 1st July 2007, 08:08 PM

Hi Jose, I think it means that they are of Maduran manufacture (someone please correct me if I'm incorrect) rather than uniquely Maduran in form.

ganjawulung · 1st July 2007, 08:28 PM

Hi Battara,

It will be appropriate too, if you put Javanese dresses on both. The style is Javanese, although may be they are maduran manufacture (not pretty sure). Gayaman Surakarta or Yogyakarta is better than "ladrang" (Solo) or "branggah" (Yogya)...

Ganjawulung

A. G. Maisey · 1st July 2007, 11:02 PM

I did not give the opinion that both blades were of Madura manufacture.

I provided my opinion directly under the pictures of the waved blade and I said :- "This blade is current era Madura production, possibly from a few years ago, say ten or 15 years ago."

From the picture I am not prepared to say what the straight blade might be. It might be Madura, it might be Jawa, it might be something else.

In any case, both blades would be OK in any sort of Javanese or Madurese dress, but neither is particularly valuable, so it would not be wise to spend a lot of money on the dress.

PenangsangII · 2nd July 2007, 02:52 AM

Thx AlamShah for the pm. You see, there are a lot of blades like that (especially the wavy one) that look obviously...well, mass produced. They could be made in Madura, Jogja, even Kelantan for that matter, but the fact remains that these kinds of blades are not worth restoring.

By seeing the pictures only, It immediately reminds me of those blades that I bought when I was a real novice collector. After I discovered this forum, kampungnet, and of course Malay Art Gallery, couple with a few books that I bought along the way, then I realized that I was taken for a ride...

I sold all those kerises (actually I got 3 of them) to a (collector)friend who didnt mind collecting lower end kerises - I sold them with huge losses off course

A. G. Maisey · 2nd July 2007, 04:50 AM

Don't worry about the losses Penangsang---all education costs money.

The good teacher may appear to be more expensive, but he costs you less in the long run.

Battara · 2nd July 2007, 08:27 PM

W

W! Very helpful. I'll tell my friend not to waste his money....

Thank you all so much.

15th June 2007, 06:20 PM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Blade Info needed These blades belong to someone else. He would them to be restored. Are both of them Javanese? (Is my ignorance showing? ) Any suggestions for dressing them? Thanks Attached Images

28th June 2007, 01:33 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Ok here are some pictures of what I think you want Cahaya. Attached Images

1st July 2007, 08:08 PM	#10
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	Sticking My Neck Out ... Hi Jose, I think it means that they are of Maduran manufacture (someone please correct me if I'm incorrect) rather than uniquely Maduran in form.

16th June 2007, 07:18 AM	#2
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I would say both blades are Javanese. A Solo dress for both of them would fit best.

18th June 2007, 05:46 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Thank you Henk. Cahaya I'm afraid that is all I have. I will see if I can get some close ups. What sections do you need?

28th June 2007, 03:06 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,700	This blade is current era Madura production, possibly from a few years ago, say ten or 15 years ago.

28th June 2007, 03:53 AM	#8
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	Thanks Alan for clearing this up. I had a few of the mass produced maduran that I bought when I started collecting keris. Because of my ignorance, and the dealers greed, I paid more than USD 500.00 a piece. The quality was slightly higher than those non-pamored tourist craps often locally produced. I guess I was taken for a ride - big time. Never mind, I learned my lesson .

1st July 2007, 07:11 PM	#9
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	So now they are Madurese rather than Javanese. Does this mean that they need Madura dress?

1st July 2007, 08:28 PM	#11
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Hi Battara, It will be appropriate too, if you put Javanese dresses on both. The style is Javanese, although may be they are maduran manufacture (not pretty sure). Gayaman Surakarta or Yogyakarta is better than "ladrang" (Solo) or "branggah" (Yogya)... Ganjawulung

1st July 2007, 11:02 PM	#12
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,700	I did not give the opinion that both blades were of Madura manufacture. I provided my opinion directly under the pictures of the waved blade and I said :- "This blade is current era Madura production, possibly from a few years ago, say ten or 15 years ago." From the picture I am not prepared to say what the straight blade might be. It might be Madura, it might be Jawa, it might be something else. In any case, both blades would be OK in any sort of Javanese or Madurese dress, but neither is particularly valuable, so it would not be wise to spend a lot of money on the dress.

2nd July 2007, 02:52 AM	#13
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	Thx AlamShah for the pm. You see, there are a lot of blades like that (especially the wavy one) that look obviously...well, mass produced. They could be made in Madura, Jogja, even Kelantan for that matter, but the fact remains that these kinds of blades are not worth restoring. By seeing the pictures only, It immediately reminds me of those blades that I bought when I was a real novice collector. After I discovered this forum, kampungnet, and of course Malay Art Gallery, couple with a few books that I bought along the way, then I realized that I was taken for a ride... I sold all those kerises (actually I got 3 of them) to a (collector)friend who didnt mind collecting lower end kerises - I sold them with huge losses off course

2nd July 2007, 04:50 AM	#14
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,700	Don't worry about the losses Penangsang---all education costs money. The good teacher may appear to be more expensive, but he costs you less in the long run.

2nd July 2007, 08:27 PM	#15
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	W W! Very helpful. I'll tell my friend not to waste his money.... Thank you all so much.