Azande? Hausa? Need help!

Sajen · 8th January 2013, 07:18 PM

Rick was correct! It seems that I am infected!

I think I have bought another arm dagger but I am not sure and special not sure about the origin. Handle is from bone like the seller stated and it is 26 cm long.

All comments are welcome.

Lew · 9th January 2013, 12:00 AM

My guess would be Zande. The hilt on Hausa daggers are different.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=Zande+dagger

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=Hausa+dagger

Sajen · 9th January 2013, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lew

My guess would be Zande. The hilt on Hausa daggers are different.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=Zande+dagger

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=Hausa+dagger

Thank you very much Lew! Your Zande dagger is beautiful, what are the handle material? Any guess about the age from my piece? And are Zande daggers are arm daggers? Sorry for my green questions but I know nearly nothing about african dagger.

Regards,

Detlef

Lew · 9th January 2013, 01:49 AM

Detlef

The hilt on zande is ivory the dagger is circa 1920s. Yes it could have been used as an arm dagger or carried on the waist. Your the blade does not looked forged so I would say 1930-40 but could be earlier?

Sajen · 9th January 2013, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lew

Detlef

The hilt on zande is ivory the dagger is circa 1920s. Yes it could have been used as an arm dagger or carried on the waist. Your the blade does not looked forged so I would say 1930-40 but could be earlier?

So it's nearby tht the handle from my one is from ivory as well?

Lew · 9th January 2013, 12:49 PM

Yes ivory pre ban ivory. The seller did not want to ship outside the EU or I would have got it

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Sajen · 9th January 2013, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lew

Yes ivory pre ban ivory. The seller did not want to ship outside the EU or I would have got it

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Wow, thank you very much Lew! This is the best compliment you can give me!

You have to know that I read your threads every time with great interest because I think you have an excellent taste by your purchases.
And thank you for confirming that it is ivory.

Best,

Detlef

Sajen · 19th January 2013, 12:22 PM

Yesterday I also received this dagger. Lew, be happy that the seller don't want to ship to the States, otherwise you will have now the problem I have.

One piece from the ivory handle is chipped what the seller don't show by his pictures and also don't mentioned in his description. Have written him already but don't get response until now.
Otherwise is the dagger really nice so I don't know what I shall do now. What do you think?

Lew · 19th January 2013, 03:23 PM

Detlef

I can make the damage to the hilt on his auction although not as stark as your photo his is dark so it is hard to see but I see it. Must have missed that usually I copy any under exposed pic and pump up the midtone brightness when I see this type of dark picture. That way any hidden flaws can be seen

. You have a choice of leave alone or sand it smooth or return it.

Sajen · 19th January 2013, 04:35 PM

Thank you Lew,

have seen it also, but to late. The seller have sold this dagger before already and it seems that it was returned and he have get a negative feedback for this.
Still wait for response from the seller.

Sajen · 20th January 2013, 01:22 PM

Still no response from the seller but have decided to keep the dagger like this. Have cleaned the ivory handle and it shows a nice natural grain.

8th January 2013, 07:18 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,467	Azande? Hausa? Need help! Rick was correct! It seems that I am infected! I think I have bought another arm dagger but I am not sure and special not sure about the origin. Handle is from bone like the seller stated and it is 26 cm long. All comments are welcome. Attached Images

19th January 2013, 12:22 PM	#8
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,467	Yesterday I also received this dagger. Lew, be happy that the seller don't want to ship to the States, otherwise you will have now the problem I have. One piece from the ivory handle is chipped what the seller don't show by his pictures and also don't mentioned in his description. Have written him already but don't get response until now. Otherwise is the dagger really nice so I don't know what I shall do now. What do you think? Attached Images

20th January 2013, 01:22 PM	#11
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,467	Still no response from the seller but have decided to keep the dagger like this. Have cleaned the ivory handle and it shows a nice natural grain. Attached Images

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9th January 2013, 12:00 AM	#2
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	My guess would be Zande. The hilt on Hausa daggers are different. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=Zande+dagger http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=Hausa+dagger

9th January 2013, 01:49 AM	#4
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Detlef The hilt on zande is ivory the dagger is circa 1920s. Yes it could have been used as an arm dagger or carried on the waist. Your the blade does not looked forged so I would say 1930-40 but could be earlier?

9th January 2013, 12:49 PM	#6
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Yes ivory pre ban ivory. The seller did not want to ship outside the EU or I would have got it .

19th January 2013, 03:23 PM	#9
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Detlef I can make the damage to the hilt on his auction although not as stark as your photo his is dark so it is hard to see but I see it. Must have missed that usually I copy any under exposed pic and pump up the midtone brightness when I see this type of dark picture. That way any hidden flaws can be seen . You have a choice of leave alone or sand it smooth or return it.

19th January 2013, 04:35 PM	#10
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,467	Thank you Lew, have seen it also, but to late. The seller have sold this dagger before already and it seems that it was returned and he have get a negative feedback for this. Still wait for response from the seller.