Shamhir mark - does anyone recognize?

Drabant1701 · 2nd December 2020, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

It would be advisable to put a photo of the whole sword.

From what I see, it looks like Persian Qajar wootz.

Thank you Marius and Ariel for your thoughts. Im posting a picture of the whole sword.
I agree there is a good chance that the blade is Persian Qajar era. The mounts are probably Ottoman but I have a hard time pinning it. To me they do not really look like typical Turkish, Syrian, Greek, or North African. Im also posting a picture of the scabbard decoration maybe someone have seen it before.

kwiatek · 3rd December 2020, 01:38 AM

Hallo, the main inscription is Arabic, part of Qur'an 61:13, very common on arms and armour, Persian work

نصر من الله وفتح قریب

'Help from God and a near victory'

As for the number, it looks like 925 though the 9 is ambiguous and this is not likely as a date. It does not look like a 0, 1, 2, 3 which are the only other real possibilities if it were to be a date. Someone may have added it at some point with wishful thinking? I see a lot of pieces from the Qajar period that have copies of earlier inscriptions, though they tend to ascribe them to the reigns of Shah 'Abbas or Safi or Husayn and not this early

Drabant1701 · 3rd December 2020, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwiatek

Hallo, the main inscription is Arabic, part of Qur'an 61:13, very common on arms and armour, Persian work

نصر من الله وفتح قریب

'Help from God and a near victory'

As for the number, it looks like 925 though the 9 is ambiguous and this is not likely as a date. It does not look like a 0, 1, 2, 3 which are the only other real possibilities if it were to be a date. Someone may have added it at some point with wishful thinking? I see a lot of pieces from the Qajar period that have copies of earlier inscriptions, though they tend to ascribe them to the reigns of Shah 'Abbas or Safi or Husayn and not this early

Thank you Kwiatek! Your knowledge and willingness to help are invaluble.

As for the number. Its really hard to read the first one, I think parts of it is gone.Its meaning is probably lost in time.

3rd December 2020, 01:38 AM	#2
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 153	Hallo, the main inscription is Arabic, part of Qur'an 61:13, very common on arms and armour, Persian work نصر من الله وفتح قریب 'Help from God and a near victory' As for the number, it looks like 925 though the 9 is ambiguous and this is not likely as a date. It does not look like a 0, 1, 2, 3 which are the only other real possibilities if it were to be a date. Someone may have added it at some point with wishful thinking? I see a lot of pieces from the Qajar period that have copies of earlier inscriptions, though they tend to ascribe them to the reigns of Shah 'Abbas or Safi or Husayn and not this early