Indonesian, Naga or Extraterrestrial ?

Royston · 17th April 2008, 12:14 PM

A couple more oddities that have been lodging for years. Please can anyone enlighten me as to where they are from and suggest names.
They are quite small, approx. 19 and 16 inches long. One scabbard is laquered wood with some brass, the other is the remains of some very fine basketwork.
The hilts are the most uncomfortable ones I have ever tried to hold. They seem designed to inflict pain to the user !!

dennee · 17th April 2008, 02:56 PM

Kuki-Lushai

VANDOO · 17th April 2008, 05:27 PM

THE INFORMATION I HAVE ON THEM IS THEY ARE FROM ASSAM NORTH EAST INDIA, NAGA AND WERE MOSTLY CEREMONIAL IN NATURE.SEE RAWSON'S BOOK FIG. 46. I THINK ORIENTAL ARMS HAS HAD ONE IN THE PAST, OF COURSE THEY HAVE PROBABLY HAD AT LEAST ONE OF EVERYTHING IN THE PAST

katana · 17th April 2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dennee

Kuki-Lushai

Please, is this the tribe(s) that this weapon originated or the actual name of the sword ?

Hi Royston,
a nice and interesting weapon...I really like it ..never seen one before. I imagine the hilt was made for a 'different' hand ....I am unable to comfortably hold a number of my Indian Tulwars.... my hand is too big

Regards David

dennee · 17th April 2008, 06:09 PM

It's generally referred to as a dao, as all of the short-sword choppers from the region are. I don't have the Kuki terminology for it, but might be able to look it up when I go home.

The Kuki-Lushai-Chin-Shendu groups are related ethonolinguistically to the Nagas and live in the hills of Assam and adjacent regions, but the Kuki and Naga nationalist movements have clashed in recent years.

Tim Simmons · 17th April 2008, 07:11 PM

I am very interested in items like these from the hill tribes between the more affluent and unified? parts of India and Burma/Myanmar. I got this one from a prominent net trader. I was very interested to see the handle in one of the examples shown still has some cotton wading. I was worried that on mine the hair is glued in but on close inspection it is with some sort of gum tree/plant resin similar to other items I have. The handles are very small, I think too small for a ladies weapon, even a lady would need to have thier index finger over the guard/knuckleduster. However they would make a very good close range weapon. The basket scabbard is interesting, quite similar to mine. I do question whether these are real fighting weapon as they are difficult to extract from the basket work scabbard without catching, making the action rather a fumble. Can you tell me if the very nice wood scabbard makes a difference? The snagging of the weapon on the scabbard and the small handle, like so many fancy Indian knives, does make wonder if these are more a dress or status weapon?

katana · 17th April 2008, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dennee

It's generally referred to as a dao, as all of the short-sword choppers from the region are. I don't have the Kuki terminology for it, but might be able to look it up when I go home.

The Kuki-Lushai-Chin-Shendu groups are related ethonolinguistically to the Nagas and live in the hills of Assam and adjacent regions, but the Kuki and Naga nationalist movements have clashed in recent years.

Thanks for the info...

All these examples shown seem very solidly constructed, possibly too well to be ceremonial....perhaps there is a 'special' way to hold these and a 'technique' to which the grip is suited

Regards David

dennee · 18th April 2008, 03:19 AM

Kuki photo, 1860s? Top of shield visible.

17th April 2008, 12:14 PM	#1
Royston Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Poole England Posts: 441	Indonesian, Naga or Extraterrestrial ? A couple more oddities that have been lodging for years. Please can anyone enlighten me as to where they are from and suggest names. They are quite small, approx. 19 and 16 inches long. One scabbard is laquered wood with some brass, the other is the remains of some very fine basketwork. The hilts are the most uncomfortable ones I have ever tried to hold. They seem designed to inflict pain to the user !! Attached Images

17th April 2008, 05:27 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE INFORMATION I HAVE ON THEM IS THEY ARE FROM ASSAM NORTH EAST INDIA, NAGA AND WERE MOSTLY CEREMONIAL IN NATURE.SEE RAWSON'S BOOK FIG. 46. I THINK ORIENTAL ARMS HAS HAD ONE IN THE PAST, OF COURSE THEY HAVE PROBABLY HAD AT LEAST ONE OF EVERYTHING IN THE PAST Attached Images

17th April 2008, 07:11 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,739	I am very interested in items like these from the hill tribes between the more affluent and unified? parts of India and Burma/Myanmar. I got this one from a prominent net trader. I was very interested to see the handle in one of the examples shown still has some cotton wading. I was worried that on mine the hair is glued in but on close inspection it is with some sort of gum tree/plant resin similar to other items I have. The handles are very small, I think too small for a ladies weapon, even a lady would need to have thier index finger over the guard/knuckleduster. However they would make a very good close range weapon. The basket scabbard is interesting, quite similar to mine. I do question whether these are real fighting weapon as they are difficult to extract from the basket work scabbard without catching, making the action rather a fumble. Can you tell me if the very nice wood scabbard makes a difference? The snagging of the weapon on the scabbard and the small handle, like so many fancy Indian knives, does make wonder if these are more a dress or status weapon? Last edited by Tim Simmons; 17th April 2008 at 07:21 PM.

18th April 2008, 03:19 AM	#8
dennee Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: College Park, MD Posts: 186	Kuki photo, 1860s? Top of shield visible. Attached Images

17th April 2008, 02:56 PM	#2
dennee Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: College Park, MD Posts: 186	Kuki-Lushai

17th April 2008, 06:09 PM	#5
dennee Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: College Park, MD Posts: 186	It's generally referred to as a dao, as all of the short-sword choppers from the region are. I don't have the Kuki terminology for it, but might be able to look it up when I go home. The Kuki-Lushai-Chin-Shendu groups are related ethonolinguistically to the Nagas and live in the hills of Assam and adjacent regions, but the Kuki and Naga nationalist movements have clashed in recent years.