Strange cutting weapons of Mirkasims army with pix. ex.Nepal

spiral · 26th June 2005, 10:07 PM

Heres some Strange weapons of Mirkasims army, well strange to me anyway!
photos taken in Kathmando National museam.

Pata, Axes, tulwar, strange billhook/pike thing on the right! etc.

Pix. copywright Spiral JRS 2005. If used elswere please include aknowledgment.

Spiral

ariel · 26th June 2005, 10:44 PM

Nice display.
Just out of interest: the weapons are exhibited in a public museum. Is it possible to claim copyrights on the pics? Either they were taken legally, with explicit museum's permission, in which case the museum owns the copyrights, or illegally, in which case the museum will contest the alleged copyrights.
Some of us posted pics from different museums around the world; what is our standing on the issue?
Lawyers, anyone wants to comment?

spiral · 26th June 2005, 11:33 PM

Thanks!

Well actualy I offcialy paid the museam for the right to take any photos I wished for my own publication. Therefore, I own the copyright.

Lawyers may disagree if they wish. But thats my stance!

I dont generaly publish the pictures Ive taken , with the connivance of museam staff in England, who looked the other way , while I took them.

Spiral

Berkley · 27th June 2005, 12:30 AM

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Lawyers, want to comment?

Would be happy to - my fee is $300 per hour, minimum consultation time 2 hours, payment in advance, no PayPal or credit cards.

("Knowledge and time are a lawyer's only stock in trade." - Abraham Lincoln, a fairly successful Illinois criminal defense lawyer who went into politics later in life).

For free, I wonder how Mir Kasim's captured weapons came to be in the Kathmandu museum.

Battle of Buxar - In June 1763 under Major Adams British army defeated Mir Kasim the Nawab of Bengal. Though they with a smaller army against Mir Kasim, the English had victories at Katwah, Giria, Sooty, Udaynala and Monghyr. Mir Kasim fled to Patna and took help from Nawab Shujauddaulah and the Emperor Shah Alam II. But the English under the General Major Hector Munro at Buxar defeated the confederate army on 22 October, 1764. Mir Kasim fled again fled and died in 1777. After winning the Battle of Buxar, the British had earned the right to collect land revenue in Bengal, Bihar and Orissa. This development set the foundations of British political rule in India. After the victory of the English in Buxar Robert Clive was appointed the governor and commander in chief of the English army in Bengal in 1765. He is claimed as the founder of the British political dominion in India. Robert Clive also brought reforms in the administration of the company and the organization of the army.
http://www.gatewayforindia.com/histo...h_history1.htm

ariel · 27th June 2005, 01:25 PM

Great! We are legit.
I have been warned several times by our house lawyers not to post anything currently on e-bay, so I am trying to be careful whenever any other legal argument is mentioned on the Forum.
As they say in Russian, " Having been scalded by hot milk, one starts blowing on a cow".
And now... for something completely different!
Pic 1: the small Pata seems to have central rib. Usually, we think about patas as slashing weapons. This one is short, stubby and reinforced. Thus, it is more likely to be stubbing, which makes it a kind of Katar. I remember Artzi posted his opinion about evolution of Pata/Katar family. This one is clearly a hybrid or a transitional step.
The straight swords with old Indian handles are very thin and long. Are they estocs?
Pic 2: are there any inscriptions on Tulwar blades? It looks like the entire blades are covered in etched scripts, similar to Islamic swords, but I do not remember seeing many Tulwars like that.

Mark · 27th June 2005, 03:23 PM

1: That pata on the left caught my attention, too. A rather unusual shape, but it being a transitional form makes perfect sense.

2: Even if Spiral hadn't paid for the right to take the photos, the copyright is his. It is the depiction, not the thing depicted, which is copyrighted. Someone esle could take nearly the same photo and have an independent copyright, for example, but Spiral has the right to dictate how his photos are used (or not used).

3: For the amount of free legal advise I give out, you guys should put me on retainer.

26th June 2005, 10:07 PM	#1
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Strange cutting weapons of Mirkasims army with pix. ex.Nepal Heres some Strange weapons of Mirkasims army, well strange to me anyway! photos taken in Kathmando National museam. Pata, Axes, tulwar, strange billhook/pike thing on the right! etc. Pix. copywright Spiral JRS 2005. If used elswere please include aknowledgment. Spiral Attached Images

26th June 2005, 10:44 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Nice display. Just out of interest: the weapons are exhibited in a public museum. Is it possible to claim copyrights on the pics? Either they were taken legally, with explicit museum's permission, in which case the museum owns the copyrights, or illegally, in which case the museum will contest the alleged copyrights. Some of us posted pics from different museums around the world; what is our standing on the issue? Lawyers, anyone wants to comment?

26th June 2005, 11:33 PM	#3
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Thanks! Well actualy I offcialy paid the museam for the right to take any photos I wished for my own publication. Therefore, I own the copyright. Lawyers may disagree if they wish. But thats my stance! I dont generaly publish the pictures Ive taken , with the connivance of museam staff in England, who looked the other way , while I took them. Spiral

27th June 2005, 01:25 PM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Great! We are legit. I have been warned several times by our house lawyers not to post anything currently on e-bay, so I am trying to be careful whenever any other legal argument is mentioned on the Forum. As they say in Russian, " Having been scalded by hot milk, one starts blowing on a cow". And now... for something completely different! Pic 1: the small Pata seems to have central rib. Usually, we think about patas as slashing weapons. This one is short, stubby and reinforced. Thus, it is more likely to be stubbing, which makes it a kind of Katar. I remember Artzi posted his opinion about evolution of Pata/Katar family. This one is clearly a hybrid or a transitional step. The straight swords with old Indian handles are very thin and long. Are they estocs? Pic 2: are there any inscriptions on Tulwar blades? It looks like the entire blades are covered in etched scripts, similar to Islamic swords, but I do not remember seeing many Tulwars like that.

27th June 2005, 03:23 PM	#6
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	1: That pata on the left caught my attention, too. A rather unusual shape, but it being a transitional form makes perfect sense. 2: Even if Spiral hadn't paid for the right to take the photos, the copyright is his. It is the depiction, not the thing depicted, which is copyrighted. Someone esle could take nearly the same photo and have an independent copyright, for example, but Spiral has the right to dictate how his photos are used (or not used). 3: For the amount of free legal advise I give out, you guys should put me on retainer.