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Old 26th April 2014, 12:59 PM   #1
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Default caucasian kindjal, translation needed

please help with translation of the blade's marking. Note the dot in lower left corner.

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Old 26th April 2014, 11:01 PM   #2
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Hi,
The date reads 1326 A.H. equivalent to 1908 A.D., hope this is of some help.
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Old 27th April 2014, 04:28 PM   #3
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Thank you for posting this, so I know that this is a common blade type, I have posted this one: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18450 to get further informations since I know nearly nothing about kindjals.

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Old 28th April 2014, 12:30 PM   #4
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The script looks Persian to me. If this is so the date could be according to the the Jalali calendar, which is solar based, and the only real difference is it starts, as does the Islamic calendar, at the flight to Medina. Thus +621 years would give a date of 1947.
The Jalali calendar was devised by, amongst others, our old friend Omar Khayyam, to overcome the problem of the Islamic calendar losing step withe the seasons.
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Old 29th April 2014, 09:51 AM   #5
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The script looks Persian to me. If this is so the date could be according to the the Jalali calendar, which is solar based, and the only real difference is it starts, as does the Islamic calendar, at the flight to Medina. Thus +621 years would give a date of 1947.
The Jalali calendar was devised by, amongst others, our old friend Omar Khayyam, to overcome the problem of the Islamic calendar losing step withe the seasons.
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Ghiyāth ad-Dīn Abu'l-Fatḥ ʿUmar ibn Ibrāhīm al-Khayyām Nīshāpūrī was a Persian polymath, philosopher, mathematician, astronomer and poet. He also wrote treatises on mechanics, geography, mineralogy, music, and Islamic theology.
Born: May 18, 1048, Nishapur, Iran
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Old 1st May 2014, 11:15 PM   #6
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This type of long kamas with crystal shaped cross section with a pronounced spine and no fullers(they were typically called "Daghistani kama"s whether they were made in Caucaus region or not)were very popular inTurkey until better half of the 20th century; you can dfind at least one example in any given antique store, all around Turkey. So there is a possiblilty that this might be Turkish.
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Old 2nd May 2014, 11:00 PM   #7
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thank you for all replies

if someone can help with translation of inscription?
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Old 6th May 2014, 03:58 PM   #8
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The size of the weapon and the type of embellishment indicate Daghestan workmanship. It could have been made there or in Tbilsi. The date is either 1324 or 1326, the terminal digit is not clear. In either case, it dates to the beginning of the 20th century, c. 1905-1907 c.e. The inscription is a name, Bazalai Chilla, a smith who enjoyed the same sort of fame as Assad Allah, and whose name appears on blades at least as often.
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