Rapier from the 17th or 18th century to identify

Lansquenet59 · 7th November 2021, 02:00 PM

Hello,

Can you help me identify this rapier? At first I thought of a reproduction. But it seems very authentic to me. I think around 1650-1700 maybe?
I only have these photos, it is a purchase that will arrive at the house soon.

The blade measures 82.5cm and the handle 21cm

Lansquenet59 · 7th November 2021, 02:08 PM

Oupss....Not for sale, section error ... Can someone put the subject in the right place? Thank you

fernando · 7th November 2021, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lansquenet59

... At first I thought of a reproduction. But it seems very authentic to me.

Well, let us see what knowledged members say.

ulfberth · 8th November 2021, 08:42 PM

I'm sorry to be the one to disappoint you Lansquenet, it is 19th c for sure. The type of blade is also found on French military dress swords of the 19th c and often used on neo Renaissance rapiers as this one.
Here is a picture of a French infantry officers sword circa 1850-70 with a similar blade.
kind regards
Ulfberth

midelburgo · 8th November 2021, 10:14 PM

Similar ones.
With some I am not sure about the hilt being from XIXth century.

I call this style "screwless shells".

Lansquenet59 · 10th November 2021, 09:06 AM

Thank you Ulfberth and Midelburgo for your intervention.

I would like to believe that this is a 19th century production. (It was my first impression) anyway, it is very well done. I will be more vigilant next time. Indeed the shell is not screwed. The midelburgo model is similar effect. If anyone has other similar models to present, it's always good to know.

midelburgo · 10th November 2021, 02:03 PM

I am still puzzled with these swords.

Sometimes the hilt seems XVIIIth century and the blade XIXTh.
Sometimes they both look from XIXth century.
And even you can find a XVIIIth blade with a historicist look hilt.

They have often the sunburst like "guardapolvo". And you can find the same type in real XVIIIth century Spanish Royal Guards (Guardia de Corps) 1728 cavalry swords (bilboes).

7th November 2021, 02:00 PM	#1
Lansquenet59 Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: France Posts: 132	Rapier from the 17th or 18th century to identify Hello, Can you help me identify this rapier? At first I thought of a reproduction. But it seems very authentic to me. I think around 1650-1700 maybe? I only have these photos, it is a purchase that will arrive at the house soon. The blade measures 82.5cm and the handle 21cm Attached Images

8th November 2021, 08:42 PM	#4
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 382	I'm sorry to be the one to disappoint you Lansquenet, it is 19th c for sure. The type of blade is also found on French military dress swords of the 19th c and often used on neo Renaissance rapiers as this one. Here is a picture of a French infantry officers sword circa 1850-70 with a similar blade. kind regards Ulfberth Attached Images

8th November 2021, 10:14 PM	#5
midelburgo Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 248	Similar ones. With some I am not sure about the hilt being from XIXth century. I call this style "screwless shells". Attached Images Last edited by midelburgo; 9th November 2021 at 08:02 AM.

10th November 2021, 02:03 PM	#7
midelburgo Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 248	I am still puzzled with these swords. Sometimes the hilt seems XVIIIth century and the blade XIXTh. Sometimes they both look from XIXth century. And even you can find a XVIIIth blade with a historicist look hilt. They have often the sunburst like "guardapolvo". And you can find the same type in real XVIIIth century Spanish Royal Guards (Guardia de Corps) 1728 cavalry swords (bilboes). Attached Images Last edited by midelburgo; 10th November 2021 at 02:17 PM.

7th November 2021, 02:08 PM	#2
Lansquenet59 Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: France Posts: 132	Oupss....Not for sale, section error ... Can someone put the subject in the right place? Thank you

10th November 2021, 09:06 AM	#6
Lansquenet59 Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: France Posts: 132	Thank you Ulfberth and Midelburgo for your intervention. I would like to believe that this is a 19th century production. (It was my first impression) anyway, it is very well done. I will be more vigilant next time. Indeed the shell is not screwed. The midelburgo model is similar effect. If anyone has other similar models to present, it's always good to know.