15th to 17th Century Halberds and Edged Weapons in the Musée des Beaux-Arts, Dijon

Matchlock · 3rd November 2010, 08:21 PM

From flickr.com, and crediting the photographers.

The painting of the Passion of Christ, ca. 1470-80, has details of halberds, an ear dagger in his sheath with Gothic tinned iron scabbard mount and a Seitenwehr or Kurzwehr with what seems to be an open ring or antenna pommel.

Enjoy,
Michael

Matchlock · 3rd November 2010, 08:24 PM

The edged weapons, part I.

Matchlock · 3rd November 2010, 08:31 PM

More.

The three two-hand swords seem be 19th century Historismus pieces, and the quillons of the one on the right are mounted upside down.

The two pictures at the bottom show an extremely fine and rare South German Landsknecht two-hand sword with broad and inscribed blade, ca. 1540.

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Matchlock · 3rd November 2010, 08:39 PM

The first two images show a very fine Late Gothic Sword, probably Italian, ca. 1480.

The Gothic painting scene of the Beheading of St. Barbara shows various types of fine South German swords, ca. 1480.

The sculpture represents the young King Louis XII of France, ca. 1620; note the rapier pommel.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 3rd November 2010, 08:42 PM

The Musée des Beaux-Arts, Dijon, Burgundy, France.

Matchlock · 5th November 2010, 06:00 PM

Please allow highlighting this fine hand-and-a-half Landsknecht saber, South German or Swiss, ca. 1530.

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fernando · 5th November 2010, 08:04 PM

So it seems as Dijon has a lot more interesting things than just mustard

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Say Michl, how old would this war hammer be?

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Matchlock · 5th November 2010, 09:23 PM

Hi 'Nando,

The iron hammer head is ca. 1580, German or Polish. The haft is an inapt replacement.

Best,
Michl

fernando · 5th November 2010, 10:53 PM

Hi Michl,
Please define inapt.
Should it be longer ... or what basic difference?

Matchlock · 6th November 2010, 04:08 PM

Hi 'Nando,

It should, in my opinion, be straight and somewhat longer; in the rear section of the haft there should be a hole for a wrist strap.

Best,
Michl

Dmitry · 7th November 2010, 06:21 AM

Imho the schiavona on the right is a composite. Nevertheless, some awesome swords in that museum! Who would've thought...

Matchlock · 7th November 2010, 05:12 PM

Thank you for pointing this out, Dmitry,

It just reminds us of the fact that very collections, be it museum or private, include only perfect pieces.

Best,
Michael

Dmitry · 8th November 2010, 05:51 PM

Just to illustrate the point, here's another 19th c.[?] composite schiavona. This one is in the Livrustkammaren in Stockholm.

I wonder if there's a catalog of the Dijon collection. Thanks for bringing up these photos, Michael! There are some amazing swords there.

Matchlock · 8th November 2010, 06:22 PM

Nothing found on the net on such a catalog ...

Best,
Michael

3rd November 2010, 08:21 PM	#1
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	15th to 17th Century Halberds and Edged Weapons in the Musée des Beaux-Arts, Dijon From flickr.com, and crediting the photographers. The painting of the Passion of Christ, ca. 1470-80, has details of halberds, an ear dagger in his sheath with Gothic tinned iron scabbard mount and a Seitenwehr or Kurzwehr with what seems to be an open ring or antenna pommel. Enjoy, Michael Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 3rd November 2010 at 08:43 PM.

3rd November 2010, 08:24 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	The edged weapons, part I. Attached Images

3rd November 2010, 08:31 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	More. The three two-hand swords seem be 19th century Historismus pieces, and the quillons of the one on the right are mounted upside down. The two pictures at the bottom show an extremely fine and rare South German Landsknecht two-hand sword with broad and inscribed blade, ca. 1540. m Attached Images

3rd November 2010, 08:39 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	The first two images show a very fine Late Gothic Sword, probably Italian, ca. 1480. The Gothic painting scene of the Beheading of St. Barbara shows various types of fine South German swords, ca. 1480. The sculpture represents the young King Louis XII of France, ca. 1620; note the rapier pommel. Best, Michael Attached Images

3rd November 2010, 08:42 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	The Musée des Beaux-Arts, Dijon, Burgundy, France. Attached Images

5th November 2010, 06:00 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Please allow highlighting this fine hand-and-a-half Landsknecht saber, South German or Swiss, ca. 1530. m Attached Images

5th November 2010, 08:04 PM	#7
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,640	So it seems as Dijon has a lot more interesting things than just mustard . Say Michl, how old would this war hammer be? . Attached Images

5th November 2010, 09:23 PM	#8
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi 'Nando, The iron hammer head is ca. 1580, German or Polish. The haft is an inapt replacement. Best, Michl

5th November 2010, 10:53 PM	#9
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,640	Hi Michl, Please define inapt. Should it be longer ... or what basic difference?

6th November 2010, 04:08 PM	#10
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi 'Nando, It should, in my opinion, be straight and somewhat longer; in the rear section of the haft there should be a hole for a wrist strap. Best, Michl

7th November 2010, 06:21 AM	#11
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	Imho the schiavona on the right is a composite. Nevertheless, some awesome swords in that museum! Who would've thought...

7th November 2010, 05:12 PM	#12
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Thank you for pointing this out, Dmitry, It just reminds us of the fact that very collections, be it museum or private, include only perfect pieces. Best, Michael Last edited by Matchlock; 7th November 2010 at 09:58 PM.

8th November 2010, 05:51 PM	#13
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	Just to illustrate the point, here's another 19th c.[?] composite schiavona. This one is in the Livrustkammaren in Stockholm. I wonder if there's a catalog of the Dijon collection. Thanks for bringing up these photos, Michael! There are some amazing swords there. Attached Images

8th November 2010, 06:22 PM	#14
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Nothing found on the net on such a catalog ... Best, Michael