Ottoman hancer for translation

mariusgmioc · 7th August 2020, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Interested Party

What features make it Ottoman out side of an inscription in Turkish? Any ideas on a specific region of the empire (or as Peter indicates Anatolia), point of manufacture, or ethnic group? The more I learn the more tenuous my understanding of Ottoman is

I'm not questioning the validity of anyone's opinion, just asking questions about the esoteric details of an Ottoman attribution. Thanks for any guidance out there.

Very legit question! And that's exactly why I put the question mark in my original posting.

And so far we don't even know if the inscription is in Turkish.

The shape of he hilt and blade look very Persian, yet the hilt is somehow different (hard to pinpoint how, but have a look at my poor attempt of a drawing), more like the hilts of some Kurdish daggers.

While the scabbard, which of course can be a latter replacement, is clearly Ottoman because of its style and decorations... in my eyes of course.

mariusgmioc · 9th August 2020, 02:42 PM

Just a refresh for translation.

Interested Party · 13th August 2020, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Just a refresh for translation.

Am I correct in believing that Kurdish hilts had prongs on the guard and pommel that point towards the hand, and hilts from the area that is now Iraq have a pommel and guard that are very rounded in cross section?

Battara · 14th August 2020, 02:10 AM

Actually the prongs belong to the Albanians.

Kurds use a form of "I" hilt.

mariusgmioc · 14th August 2020, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Actually the prongs belong to the Albanians.

Kurds use a form of "I" hilt.

It appears that hilts with prongs are not characteristic to Albania alone, but more generally to the Ottoman empire (see the link below, to mine that was made in Damascus).

Regarding the Kurdish daggers that I saw, they all have "I" shaped hilts similar to the one in the second drawing, but with oval cross-section instead of round. The dagger here, in the original posting could be Kurdish in my oppinion.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=25724

kronckew · 14th August 2020, 10:21 AM

My wootz Kurdish Jambiyah for comparison, I too noted the OP's example as being very Kurdish looking.

mariusgmioc · 20th August 2020, 10:20 AM

Hello,

Still nobody o help me with translation?!

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