IBAN WITH PISO PODANG

carlos · 30th November 2005, 05:09 PM

IN THE FRONT OF THE BOOK " IBAN ART" APPEARS A MAN WEARING A PODANG SWORD WITH TUFTS OF HAIR IN THE POMMEL. INSIDE THE BOOK APPEARS ANOTHER PISO PODANG (PAG.122).
NO IS THE MANDAU THR TYPICAL SWORD OF THIS PEOPLE?.
INSIDE THE BOOK THERE ARE A BEATIFUL PAGES WITH MANDAUS, HILT AND JIMPUL.
THANKS

VVV · 30th November 2005, 05:28 PM

You are lucky to already have recieved your book.
I am still waiting for mine.
It's quite common to see Iban with a Piso Podang in old pictures.
I have noticed that usually the Iban version is shorter than the Batak and also that the top of the hilt (pommel) is not open like usually the Batak version.
So far I haven't heard anything other than speculations on why the same sword occurs in two different places and cultures.
I assume that from the beginning it's influenced by the Portuguese swords?
And the Ibans is probably the Dayak tribe who had most contact with other cultures?
I don't remember the source but I think I have read somewhere that they stopped in Sumatra when migrating from China to Borneo (Mjöberg maybe?).

Look forward to read the input from the other members of this list.

Michael

VVV · 1st December 2005, 01:18 AM

Here is a picture of a "PP" that I suspect is Iban and not Batak.
The top of the handle is under the attached belt.

Michael

carlos · 1st December 2005, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Here is a picture of a "PP" that I suspect is Iban and not Batak.
The top of the handle is under the attached belt.

Michael

thanks for the information!!!, is a beautiful picture!!
carlos

VANDOO · 2nd December 2005, 01:20 AM

I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GOT THERE BUT THERE ARE MANY PISO PODANG IN BORNEO AND I THINK THEY WERE ALL OLD ONES SO PERHAPS A LARGE SHIPMENT CAME INTO THE COUNTRY AT SOME TIME IN THE PAST. I SAW ONE WITH CHINESE DECOR AND A FEW WITH DAYAK DECOR BUT MOST WERE IN THEIR NATURAL STATE. MOST WERE IN THE KUCHING AREA.

RhysMichael · 2nd December 2005, 03:22 PM

Aren't Sarawak and the Batak regions of Indonesia fairly close ?

30th November 2005, 05:09 PM	#1
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 731	IBAN WITH PISO PODANG IN THE FRONT OF THE BOOK " IBAN ART" APPEARS A MAN WEARING A PODANG SWORD WITH TUFTS OF HAIR IN THE POMMEL. INSIDE THE BOOK APPEARS ANOTHER PISO PODANG (PAG.122). NO IS THE MANDAU THR TYPICAL SWORD OF THIS PEOPLE?. INSIDE THE BOOK THERE ARE A BEATIFUL PAGES WITH MANDAUS, HILT AND JIMPUL. THANKS

1st December 2005, 01:18 AM	#3
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Here is a picture of a "PP" that I suspect is Iban and not Batak. The top of the handle is under the attached belt. Michael Attached Images

30th November 2005, 05:28 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	You are lucky to already have recieved your book. I am still waiting for mine. It's quite common to see Iban with a Piso Podang in old pictures. I have noticed that usually the Iban version is shorter than the Batak and also that the top of the hilt (pommel) is not open like usually the Batak version. So far I haven't heard anything other than speculations on why the same sword occurs in two different places and cultures. I assume that from the beginning it's influenced by the Portuguese swords? And the Ibans is probably the Dayak tribe who had most contact with other cultures? I don't remember the source but I think I have read somewhere that they stopped in Sumatra when migrating from China to Borneo (Mjöberg maybe?). Look forward to read the input from the other members of this list. Michael

2nd December 2005, 01:20 AM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GOT THERE BUT THERE ARE MANY PISO PODANG IN BORNEO AND I THINK THEY WERE ALL OLD ONES SO PERHAPS A LARGE SHIPMENT CAME INTO THE COUNTRY AT SOME TIME IN THE PAST. I SAW ONE WITH CHINESE DECOR AND A FEW WITH DAYAK DECOR BUT MOST WERE IN THEIR NATURAL STATE. MOST WERE IN THE KUCHING AREA.

2nd December 2005, 03:22 PM	#6
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	Aren't Sarawak and the Batak regions of Indonesia fairly close ?