Folding bayonet

Bayowolf · 7th January 2023, 08:54 PM

I didn't want to clutter up Fernando's thread on Navalhas. So started another thread for this. Can anyone tell the country of origin for this folding knife? Is it a Navaja, Navalhas, or perhaps from Italy? It has the ring for assistance in releasing the lock, but not ratchet. Oddly, it seems to be made or modified to fit to a hunting rifle as a bayonet.

fernando · 8th January 2023, 10:59 AM

What a rather interesting piece, Shawn; one i would like to own for sure

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Could it be that this is not a 'one of many' unit but the 'one and only' creation of some ingenious author for personal use ?

Will M · 8th January 2023, 04:59 PM

The knife appears to have been made with the muzzle ring and plug.
You cannot fire the firearm with it attached unless you want a burst barrel.
I suppose many years ago you did not wish to expend more ammunition than necessary on your downed prey so just give him a good jab to finish him off..

fernando · 8th January 2023, 05:21 PM

I am not sure it works that way; if the ring is to encircle the muzzle, there is no way that cylindrical device may work as a plug. Am i correct ?

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Will M · 8th January 2023, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

I am not sure it works that way; if the ring is to encircle the muzzle, there is no way that cylindrical device may work as a plug. Am i correct ?

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Yes I'm wrong on that, I was thinking of a particular rifle in the back of my mind.

Jim McDougall · 8th January 2023, 07:35 PM

My apologies for adding here a reference pertinent to this query, but unfortunately exceeding discussion boundaries. In "Collectors Pictorial Book of Bayonets" (Frederick H. Stephens, 1971) which illustrates a folding bayonet from the M1938 Mannlicher-Carcano rifle (222,223).

This is a most interesting innovation, and I wonder if anything similar was ever contrived in the 19th century. It was realized by the mid 18th century that the bayonet was ultimately most effective in large scale combat attacks, becoming one of the key weapons of infantry. Through the 19th century, due to this, there was constantly various attention to altering features and character of the bayonet to improve them for multipurpose use and attachment etc.

fernando · 8th January 2023, 07:44 PM

Of i may Jim, i fail to see the connection in form between Nazi military pattern bayonets and this (surely) private originality.

7th January 2023, 08:54 PM	#1
Bayowolf Member Join Date: May 2022 Posts: 16	Folding bayonet I didn't want to clutter up Fernando's thread on Navalhas. So started another thread for this. Can anyone tell the country of origin for this folding knife? Is it a Navaja, Navalhas, or perhaps from Italy? It has the ring for assistance in releasing the lock, but not ratchet. Oddly, it seems to be made or modified to fit to a hunting rifle as a bayonet. Attached Images

8th January 2023, 07:35 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,770	My apologies for adding here a reference pertinent to this query, but unfortunately exceeding discussion boundaries. In "Collectors Pictorial Book of Bayonets" (Frederick H. Stephens, 1971) which illustrates a folding bayonet from the M1938 Mannlicher-Carcano rifle (222,223). This is a most interesting innovation, and I wonder if anything similar was ever contrived in the 19th century. It was realized by the mid 18th century that the bayonet was ultimately most effective in large scale combat attacks, becoming one of the key weapons of infantry. Through the 19th century, due to this, there was constantly various attention to altering features and character of the bayonet to improve them for multipurpose use and attachment etc. Attached Images

8th January 2023, 10:59 AM	#2
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	What a rather interesting piece, Shawn; one i would like to own for sure . Could it be that this is not a 'one of many' unit but the 'one and only' creation of some ingenious author for personal use ?

8th January 2023, 04:59 PM	#3
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 390	The knife appears to have been made with the muzzle ring and plug. You cannot fire the firearm with it attached unless you want a burst barrel. I suppose many years ago you did not wish to expend more ammunition than necessary on your downed prey so just give him a good jab to finish him off..

8th January 2023, 05:21 PM	#4
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	I am not sure it works that way; if the ring is to encircle the muzzle, there is no way that cylindrical device may work as a plug. Am i correct ? .

8th January 2023, 07:44 PM	#7
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Of i may Jim, i fail to see the connection in form between Nazi military pattern bayonets and this (surely) private originality.