As promised: Ottoman Sultan/ Viking sword

ariel · 14th December 2016, 09:18 PM

Please refer to:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...e+viking+sword

And this is its twin, not sold for a paltry sum of $1899.

ariel · 14th December 2016, 09:19 PM

#2

ariel · 14th December 2016, 09:36 PM

And the description:
"Ottoman or Viking?

Must of you are wondering if this is a replica viking sword from one of the modern brands in the market? It is not.
It is probably one of the rarest ottoman swords in history. Please analyze the visible microstructure of grains composition of the blade.
During hundreds of years persians worked the famous "Crucible Steel" for the Vikings Clans. Read about the Viking's Volga Trade Route to Persia.
More details about this sword, it keeps an interesting wooden scabbard with silver and bronze pieces as decorations, probably from a diferent origin or time period, don't know much about it yet but it fits the sword very well & tight, wood has small cracks but nothing serious, it is still in good condition.
I will ask you, experts on the field to search and try to date this sword. The hilt is finely chiseled over solid bronze, see in the pictures the tools markings ( looks like an early handwork). If I don't get wrong, a similar example of an ottoman viking style sword, was sold by Chriestie's last month in a hudge incredible price, showing the same hilt with the same romboidal tools markings as this one.
Blade shows worn areas, rust spots and edge deformations from age but it is still straight and flexible.
I will appreciate any professional support because this sword is still an enigma to me.
A great sword to study. Any other details you need, just ask me, I will be able to help.
Sold as it came to me.
(SOLD AS IS)
Please, no returns and thanks for your attention. "

iskender · 14th December 2016, 11:52 PM

gentlemen,should i bite on my tongue or burn my fingers ? a few years ago i found a old sword oakeshott typ XI with a horngrip and pommel, blade with black underwaterpatina in a good condition still flexible ! i have connections to a well-known historical museum, where i presented the objekt to the curator of arms. he told me it is to old for him to jugde it and left if over to the curators of the antique to give a opinion. a half a year later i got it back together with the statement that this was the best preserved sword from the 12 century they have ever seen. in the meantime i now now that it was made in tunis and never so old as they told me! the same i think is with your sword,certainly of age but in my opinion and looking at the way old bronce ages ,first to red or brown and similar colours then going in to a mix of/or green /blue/black, it think it will turn out that the grip is perhabs 19 century and is made in that what they called the "barbarei " in old times. will be interesting what the experts say! greetings and a good day to you all Iskender

TVV · 15th December 2016, 12:18 AM

Iskender, the grip is actually of late 20th century manufacture at the earliest, just like the blade. Ariel is simply having fun with the listing. We need the occasional fun thread at times, it can't be all serious scholarly research

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Teodor

iskender · 15th December 2016, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TVV

Iskender, the grip is actually of late 20th century manufacture at the earliest, just like the blade. Ariel is simply having fun with the listing. We need the occasional fun thread at times, it can't be all serious scholarly research

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Teodor

is that what is called "Trolling" good joke ,i like that!

iskender

14th December 2016, 09:18 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	As promised: Ottoman Sultan/ Viking sword Please refer to: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...e+viking+sword And this is its twin, not sold for a paltry sum of $1899. Attached Images Last edited by ariel; 14th December 2016 at 09:38 PM.

14th December 2016, 11:52 PM	#4
iskender Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 60	patina of old bronce ? gentlemen,should i bite on my tongue or burn my fingers ? a few years ago i found a old sword oakeshott typ XI with a horngrip and pommel, blade with black underwaterpatina in a good condition still flexible ! i have connections to a well-known historical museum, where i presented the objekt to the curator of arms. he told me it is to old for him to jugde it and left if over to the curators of the antique to give a opinion. a half a year later i got it back together with the statement that this was the best preserved sword from the 12 century they have ever seen. in the meantime i now now that it was made in tunis and never so old as they told me! the same i think is with your sword,certainly of age but in my opinion and looking at the way old bronce ages ,first to red or brown and similar colours then going in to a mix of/or green /blue/black, it think it will turn out that the grip is perhabs 19 century and is made in that what they called the "barbarei " in old times. will be interesting what the experts say! greetings and a good day to you all Iskender

14th December 2016, 09:19 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	#2 Attached Images Last edited by ariel; 14th December 2016 at 09:33 PM.

14th December 2016, 09:36 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	And the description: "Ottoman or Viking? Must of you are wondering if this is a replica viking sword from one of the modern brands in the market? It is not. It is probably one of the rarest ottoman swords in history. Please analyze the visible microstructure of grains composition of the blade. During hundreds of years persians worked the famous "Crucible Steel" for the Vikings Clans. Read about the Viking's Volga Trade Route to Persia. More details about this sword, it keeps an interesting wooden scabbard with silver and bronze pieces as decorations, probably from a diferent origin or time period, don't know much about it yet but it fits the sword very well & tight, wood has small cracks but nothing serious, it is still in good condition. I will ask you, experts on the field to search and try to date this sword. The hilt is finely chiseled over solid bronze, see in the pictures the tools markings ( looks like an early handwork). If I don't get wrong, a similar example of an ottoman viking style sword, was sold by Chriestie's last month in a hudge incredible price, showing the same hilt with the same romboidal tools markings as this one. Blade shows worn areas, rust spots and edge deformations from age but it is still straight and flexible. I will appreciate any professional support because this sword is still an enigma to me. A great sword to study. Any other details you need, just ask me, I will be able to help. Sold as it came to me. (SOLD AS IS) Please, no returns and thanks for your attention. "

15th December 2016, 12:18 AM	#5
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,599	Iskender, the grip is actually of late 20th century manufacture at the earliest, just like the blade. Ariel is simply having fun with the listing. We need the occasional fun thread at times, it can't be all serious scholarly research . Teodor