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Old 20th May 2012, 06:50 PM   #1
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Default Another cup hilt rapier

This one is a bit more sophisticated, as its hilt is more elaborated, in a way an added value evolution of the basic cup bowl.
We call this cup Margarida (daisy=flower), to distinguish it from the classic shell cup.
The copper grip wiring sure looks original with its 'twist' efect, locked by two nice copper turkish heads.
The pommel shows some decoration.
Also worthy of note is what apparently seems to be a quite atypical guarda polvo (dust guard) device, which is not the usual detachabale washer but a convex cup, forming one only piece with the arms that are welded to the quillons for the cup guard fixation.
The lenticular double edged blade is 86 cms long and 23 m/m wide, bearing a poorly stoke mark in both sides that i can't (so far) identify. I would say that it is more frequent to see sword makers marks in the recazo inside the cup and not in the forte, like this one. Could it be an inspection mark, like that the crowned T used by the city of Toledo ? ... But in both sides?
The 'worm' waving mark is not an uncommon sign, but i ignore what it means.
The whole sword measure 1,050 Mts and the blade point of balance is 13 cms. from the quillons. Total weight 907 grams.
Again i thank the members for opinions and any possible help on the marks.

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Old 20th May 2012, 10:09 PM   #2
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Hi Fernando,
Lovely items both you are becoming quite the 'swashbuckler'!!!!
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Old 20th May 2012, 11:18 PM   #3
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Looks like the devil's tail on the blade .
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Old 21st May 2012, 12:12 AM   #4
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Fernando,

Thanks for posting the measurements.

The blade seems a bit short for a rapier. Did you take it from the cup or the quillons?

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Old 21st May 2012, 02:15 PM   #5
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... The blade seems a bit short for a rapier. Did you take it from the cup or the quillons? ...
From the cup; from the quillons will be 92,5 cms.
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Old 23rd May 2012, 12:55 AM   #6
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Hi Fernando,

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From the cup; from the quillons will be 92,5 cms.
That's more like it - Corresponds to a transition era rapier's length.

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Looks like the devil's tail on the blade .
You mean that little V in the end of the worm ?
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Old 21st May 2012, 02:41 PM   #8
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New pictures of the mark.

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Old 21st May 2012, 06:13 PM   #9
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the v is the "stylistic" head of the serpent/dragon, I have a medieval sword in my collection 13thC, with a similar inlay.
A snake is in the Christian symbolism a symbol of the Fall and a symbol of life.

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