Pandur saber

Waltie · 21st July 2016, 03:37 PM

I have found what I think may be a Karabela(?) Hungarian Pandur saber in my grandfather's estate.It has a figure of Pandur on the blade. Since I am not a collector I do not know what to do with it and would appreciate some direction.

fernando · 21st July 2016, 03:58 PM

Welcome to the forum, Waltie.
You have missed uploading pictures of your item.

Jim McDougall · 21st July 2016, 06:53 PM

Thank you for joining us here Waltie.
It would be great to see images of your sabre. From your description I would note here that the image of a 'pandour' on the blade indicates it is not a genuine pandour sword, but one with that motif placed commemoratively. These were typically for cavalry officers in Eastern Europe in the third quarter to latter 18th century. The original Pandour units were disbanded in the 1740s as they had become renegade in their auxiliary duties with Austrian forces.
Still their effectiveness was renowned and various armies began adding similar auxiliary forces to their standing units, often with considerable though more controlled use.
We cannot discuss values here, however we will be glad to add research comments and information here with photos when added, and perhaps offer other suggestions privately.

Jim McDougall · 24th July 2016, 04:16 AM

Kinda hope he comes back. This is a most interesting topic.

fernando · 24th July 2016, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Kinda hope he comes back. This is a most interesting topic.

Perhaps you kinda frightened him

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Jim McDougall · 24th July 2016, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Perhaps you kinda frightened him

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Oops! Guess that happens a lot

21st July 2016, 03:37 PM	#1
Waltie Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 1	Pandur saber I have found what I think may be a Karabela(?) Hungarian Pandur saber in my grandfather's estate.It has a figure of Pandur on the blade. Since I am not a collector I do not know what to do with it and would appreciate some direction.

21st July 2016, 03:58 PM	#2
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,649	Welcome to the forum, Waltie. You have missed uploading pictures of your item.

21st July 2016, 06:53 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,785	Thank you for joining us here Waltie. It would be great to see images of your sabre. From your description I would note here that the image of a 'pandour' on the blade indicates it is not a genuine pandour sword, but one with that motif placed commemoratively. These were typically for cavalry officers in Eastern Europe in the third quarter to latter 18th century. The original Pandour units were disbanded in the 1740s as they had become renegade in their auxiliary duties with Austrian forces. Still their effectiveness was renowned and various armies began adding similar auxiliary forces to their standing units, often with considerable though more controlled use. We cannot discuss values here, however we will be glad to add research comments and information here with photos when added, and perhaps offer other suggestions privately.

24th July 2016, 04:16 AM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,785	Kinda hope he comes back. This is a most interesting topic.