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Old 18th September 2006, 12:43 PM   #121
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Just wanted to share my newest acquisitions.
WOW!

Very nice. Beyond nice! Excellent! If you ever want an air-condtioned, humidity controlled environment to store the barongs, please let me know! Top dollar!

Is the MP-5 selective fire?
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Old 18th September 2006, 03:50 PM   #122
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Panday

Now you know that your firearms are not period appropriate for your barongs you will have to do better

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Old 18th September 2006, 04:19 PM   #123
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WOW! Are those loaded with HYDRASHOCKS! Ya got a FA kit for that SP? It's useless w/o one. Contact my homies from Carson if you need one
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Old 19th September 2006, 12:56 AM   #124
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Is the MP-5 selective fire?

Bill,
It's a simi-auto Cal. version.



nice! i was saving for the the one on the very top, lol, but at the rate i was going, i had 33 months to go. glad it went to you, tho...

Spunjer,
salamat D're



WOW! Are those loaded with HYDRASHOCKS! Ya got a FA kit for that SP? It's useless w/o one. Contact my homies from Carson if you need one

Kino,
just got it back last week from a friend of mine in No. Cal. i dismantled the kit months ago, now i just need to find it so i can put it back. loaded w/ BLACK TALON



Now you know that your firearms are not period appropriate for your barongs you will have to do better

Lew,
Your absolutely right, i'll do better next time. just happy to have them back.


Here's a full house photo.
Thanks guys. enjoy
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Old 20th September 2006, 09:00 AM   #125
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Question From the Brimfield, Mass. Flea Market this Fall

I never know what will catch my eye when I go to the giant flea market over in Brimfield, MA. Earlier this month, I brought this home. I do know what it is, now, at least generically. I'll pop in a link to a site about these things later, but solicit any opinions first.
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Old 20th September 2006, 12:57 PM   #126
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Hi Lee.

Interesting looking small blade and handle. Seems to me it is a tool of some sort, rather than a weapon. A little like a farrier's knife for cleaning horse's hooves, but this looks too nice for such a mundane purpose.

My first thought was an old fleam to let blood from horses, people. A popular practice in the 19th C. Otherwise, I suppose it could be a wood working tool for carving or some other small knife purpose.

I don't think it is a Native American knife ("crooked knife"). It has a nice "folk" look to the hilt and the whipping on the handle does not strike me as Native American. Blade looks sturdy and forged.

Be interested to hear what others think.

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Old 22nd September 2006, 09:50 AM   #127
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Hi Ian,

I think that this actually is a "crooked knife" functionally as it clearly fits in the hand to be used as a single-handed draw knife. It has some age to it, but I would hesitate to put this particular example of the tool before the first half of the 20th century and I would similarly hestitate to identify this particular example's cultural origin.

A couple of good links I found to "crooked knives":

Mo-co-ta-gan: Crooked Knives
Mocotaugan: The Story and Art of the Crooked Knife
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Old 22nd September 2006, 08:43 PM   #128
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I have seen a "crooked" knife in a local junk shop. I will see if it is still there in the morning and if cheap enough buy it to compare. It has an antler handle and no binding with absolutely no indication that it is not English. A rural or urban for all that matters, farriers search tool. I really know nothing about horses being more of a Townie.
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Old 22nd September 2006, 09:36 PM   #129
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Lee:

It was the blade that put me off. I think of "crooked knives" as having more square-ended blades with a terminal hook. But I see from your referenced sites that not all blades have such an appearance.

It seems curious that this style is unknown to occur before the 19th C.

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Old 18th October 2006, 03:00 PM   #130
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Thumbs up The rare bangkung

never thought i get to see one of these in my collection, but i guess every now and then even the blind dog gets lucky. just got it yesterday. being beautified at the moment (pedicure, manicure,hot wax treatment...). will post better pics in the future. pic one by itself, pic two, the handle, and pic three compared with a barung for size comparison.

OAL= 24.5"
Blade= 18"
Blade thickness (by the hilt)=7/16"
Width at the widest point= 2.5"

pretty much the classic bangkung described on cato's book. banati handle with silver punto.
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Old 18th October 2006, 05:02 PM   #131
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Very nice. I would say that's a very lucky dog!
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Old 18th October 2006, 07:05 PM   #132
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Congratulations! Nice puppies (woof! ).
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Old 18th October 2006, 07:20 PM   #133
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I never know what will catch my eye when I go to the giant flea market over in Brimfield, MA. Earlier this month, I brought this home. I do know what it is, now, at least generically. I'll pop in a link to a site about these things later, but solicit any opinions first.
Don't mean to be flip, but this looks like a table knife stuck in carved piece of wood.
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Old 20th October 2006, 12:06 AM   #134
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Hey Spunger, Post some photos after you clean it up. Good catch!
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Old 20th October 2006, 01:36 AM   #135
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shoots, kino..
just got done etching the blade and the lamination is pretty cool! i dunno anything about different types, but the best i can describe this would be sandwiching metal sheets and shaping the blade from there. the other sundang i have that i think would have a similar pattern would be the garab i have. i'm enclosing a picture of the garab's lamination. will take pics of the bangkung's lamination tomorrow...
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Old 20th October 2006, 02:45 PM   #136
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here's the blade. i believe it's the first picture where it looks as if the blade was used to block what appears to be an incoming blow, so much so that it made a dent and separated the lamination weld. i would say it's a battle scar. on the bottom picture, you could almost see the 'stepladder' (for a better lack of terms) lamination on the blade, left side...
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Old 22nd October 2006, 03:15 PM   #137
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back to her glory days...
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Old 22nd October 2006, 05:55 PM   #138
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on the bottom picture, you could almost see the 'stepladder' (for a better lack of terms) lamination on the blade, left side...
Spunger, Good clean-up job. I think my lousy monitor doesn't show the pattern on the Bangkung. Too dark.

Here is my Bangkung. The silver Punto is a later replacement done by our own Battara, stand up B and wave your hand, so everyone can see you.
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Old 22nd October 2006, 07:17 PM   #139
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Ron:

That's quite a dent. Possibly a strike from a bullet?

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Old 23rd October 2006, 05:43 AM   #140
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ian,

the distance of the dent is about a third of the total length from the tip, and the thickness at this point is still 5/16". needless to say, it's a solid, heavy blade. it would take a lot to create that dent. bullet grazing it is a strong possibililty.



kino,

wow, excellent piece you got there, brah! the naga hilt itself is unique, but another aspect that's interesting is where the blade connects to the handle, you know, the grills. pretty common on northern sundangs, but i've never seen that on moro weapons. btw, don't you have the shandigan bangkung as well?
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Kino,

I forgot all about that piece. Hope the drool stains don't show. I liked working on that piece.

BTW - I waved but couldn't see anyone wave back.
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Old 23rd October 2006, 08:46 PM   #142
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That's quite a dent. Possibly a strike from a bullet?

Ian.
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That dent was more likely made by a parry from another weapon the chances that a bullet caused the damage is slim to none You would have to shoot the back of the sword jjj-just right .

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Old 23rd October 2006, 09:37 PM   #143
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Hello all, I am new here

Some of my stuff:

Arabian Dagger:


Early 20th century Portoguese bayonet:



Ottoman sword, approximately 200ish years old:



I am just starting my collection of real antique weapons, as well as newly made replicas.
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Old 24th October 2006, 03:47 AM   #144
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Welcome Hrthuma. Hope you enjoy your time here.

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Old 26th October 2006, 02:14 AM   #145
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Thanks Ian

And I will try to post a closer look to my blades. I might also get a new sword soon. And I think I might need some assistance identifying where and when it was used.

Thanks again
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Old 26th October 2006, 02:35 AM   #146
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Just got this Tulwar last week and The Indo Persian Axe? yesterday, Ill post better pics of the axe once I get it.
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That Tulwar is pretty decent.
I have seen a tulwar in a shop(near where I live) but it looked very blunt and rusty. Yours look pretty cheerfull
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Old 26th October 2006, 03:00 AM   #148
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Thanks, its my first Tulwar and I think it was a great buy, just grabed it off ebay for $102.00. I dont know much about Tulwars but it was posted as an 18th century blade, its in excelent shape, and you can still very faintly see some of the artwork on the handle.
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Thanks, its my first Tulwar and I think it was a great buy, just grabed it off ebay for $102.00. I dont know much about Tulwars but it was posted as an 18th century blade, its in excelent shape, and you can still very faintly see some of the artwork on the handle.
18th century Tulwar for $102? and a Tulwar in good shape? I dont know about the rest, but I think you are a lucky man

Congrats
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Old 28th October 2006, 05:12 PM   #150
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I got this today to show with the horse knife Lee post at the top of the page.
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