ID on these 2 weapons

thinreadline · 5th February 2016, 11:46 AM

Sorting through more of my heap I came across these 2 items which are from parts of the world that are not familiar to me . The long almost Khyber dagger is 48 cm long in total and has what I would think is a spurious '1677' mark on the back edge of the blade . The smaller item is 24 cm overall and seems to be a spear head having a hollow handle . The handle is a metal socket bound rather nicely with leather , the scabbard is wooden. Any help would be appreciated .

harrywagner · 5th February 2016, 12:30 PM

The dagger looks African. The sword is a mystery. It is similar in some respects to an Afghan khyber knife, but the blade is all wrong. Interesting pieces. Thanks for sharing.

thinreadline · 5th February 2016, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by harrywagner

The dagger looks African. The sword is a mystery. It is similar in some respects to an Afghan khyber knife, but the blade is all wrong. Interesting pieces. Thanks for sharing.

Though as I say the 'dagger' has a hollow handle and I think it is actually a spear blade.

Iain · 5th February 2016, 01:25 PM

The longer piece - the leather work makes me think of a Scottish dirk, perhaps an attempt at a recreation by someone?

The shorter piece, should be from SE Asia, I'm sure a member will be along shortly with an exact ID. I've seen these before just can't recall the tribal attribution!

Lee · 5th February 2016, 01:25 PM

The knife / spear with hollow handle and open sheath is Philippine Igorot (mountain people); more to be found here

The other dagger seems to suggest vernacular Scottish or an attempt at same; surely worth investigating, unfortunately forgeries are abundant.

thinreadline · 5th February 2016, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee

The knife / spear with hollow handle and open sheath is Philippine Igorot (mountain people); more to be found here

The other dagger seems to suggest vernacular Scottish or an attempt at same; surely worth investigating, unfortunately forgeries are abundant.

OK that sounds very interesting , will investigate further , thanks for your help .

thinreadline · 5th February 2016, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by thinreadline

OK that sounds very interesting , will investigate further , thanks for your help .

I will post the dirk-like one in the European section

Henk · 5th February 2016, 06:47 PM

The dagger with the hollow handle is a hinalung from the Igorot people, Luzon, Philipines.

The dirk looks Scottish to me. Very nice one.

thinreadline · 5th February 2016, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Henk

The dagger with the hollow handle is a hinalung from the Igorot people, Luzon, Philipines.

The dirk looks Scottish to me. Very nice one.

Thanks Henk

Henk · 6th February 2016, 10:39 PM

You're welcome

5th February 2016, 11:46 AM	#1
thinreadline Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Wirral Posts: 1,204	ID on these 2 weapons Sorting through more of my heap I came across these 2 items which are from parts of the world that are not familiar to me . The long almost Khyber dagger is 48 cm long in total and has what I would think is a spurious '1677' mark on the back edge of the blade . The smaller item is 24 cm overall and seems to be a spear head having a hollow handle . The handle is a metal socket bound rather nicely with leather , the scabbard is wooden. Any help would be appreciated . Attached Images

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5th February 2016, 12:30 PM	#2
harrywagner Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 373	The dagger looks African. The sword is a mystery. It is similar in some respects to an Afghan khyber knife, but the blade is all wrong. Interesting pieces. Thanks for sharing.

5th February 2016, 01:25 PM	#4
Iain Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Olomouc Posts: 1,680	The longer piece - the leather work makes me think of a Scottish dirk, perhaps an attempt at a recreation by someone? The shorter piece, should be from SE Asia, I'm sure a member will be along shortly with an exact ID. I've seen these before just can't recall the tribal attribution!

5th February 2016, 01:25 PM	#5
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 887	The knife / spear with hollow handle and open sheath is Philippine Igorot (mountain people); more to be found here The other dagger seems to suggest vernacular Scottish or an attempt at same; surely worth investigating, unfortunately forgeries are abundant.

5th February 2016, 06:47 PM	#8
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	The dagger with the hollow handle is a hinalung from the Igorot people, Luzon, Philipines. The dirk looks Scottish to me. Very nice one.

6th February 2016, 10:39 PM	#10
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	You're welcome