Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons
User Name
Password
FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 20th September 2019, 06:05 PM   #1
alex8765
Member
 
alex8765's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: NYC
Posts: 40
Default Brazilian Faca de Ponta?

Hi gents,
Can you please help me to identify this knife? Is it Brazilian Faca de Ponta or Genovese Coltello, or Spanish Punal?
Thank you
Alex
Attached Images
     
alex8765 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th September 2019, 06:16 PM   #2
Henk
Member
 
Henk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,188
Default

I'm not very knowledgeable in this field. But i do know that i like this one.

I would say Spanish or Italian. Just my guess.
Henk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th September 2019, 06:35 PM   #3
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 6,728
Default

Hello Alex,

I would vote for Faca de Ponta. It seems to be very old, mid 19th century?

Handle, blade shape point to Brazil but frankly said it would be the first I see with pierced blade. Therefore my age guess.
Please compare: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...&highlight=faca

Regards,
Detlef
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th September 2019, 07:45 PM   #4
alex8765
Member
 
alex8765's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: NYC
Posts: 40
Default

Thanks! I vote for Faca de Ponta as well, but like you said, the pierced blades not typical for Brazilian knifes. So, there is a chance that it was made in Europe for Brazilian market.
alex8765 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th September 2019, 08:01 PM   #5
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 6,728
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by alex8765
Thanks! I vote for Faca de Ponta as well, but like you said, the pierced blades not typical for Brazilian knifes. So, there is a chance that it was made in Europe for Brazilian market.


Yes, when you read older threads there was always a discussion South America versus Mediterraean orgin by very old knives. Naturally!
There is also the chance that it is Brazilian dagger from an other region.
We have members who will be able to tell more, hope they join in.
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th September 2019, 08:12 PM   #6
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 6,728
Default

Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th September 2019, 09:12 PM   #7
alex8765
Member
 
alex8765's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: NYC
Posts: 40
Default

Very good thread, thanks. Could be Mediterranean knife after all.
alex8765 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th September 2019, 09:14 PM   #8
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 6,728
Default

Still vote for Brazil!
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th September 2019, 09:50 PM   #9
Rich
Member
 
Rich's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: comfortably at home
Posts: 392
Default

Could it be a Spanish blade that has been rehandled in Brazil,etc?
The blade is just like an early-mid 19th C Spanish punal I use to have.
Just a thought.
Rich
Rich is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st September 2019, 10:35 AM   #10
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 6,728
Default

Why not, everything is possible.
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st September 2019, 10:49 AM   #11
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 6,728
Default

A comparison.

First pic.: handle from one of my Faca de Pontas
Second pic.: handle from a possible Mineira dagger from Brazil, taken from this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...razilian+dagger
Third pic.: handle from the dagger in question
Attached Images
   
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd September 2019, 02:57 PM   #12
alex8765
Member
 
alex8765's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: NYC
Posts: 40
Default

Thank Sajen,
I think “Brazilian with Mediterranean blade” is the most plausible
alex8765 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd September 2019, 07:49 PM   #13
motan
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Jerusalem
Posts: 224
Default

Hi,
I don't know much about Faca Pontas, so this may be a bit off, but has anyone considered it might be a Mauritanian dagger?
Both Brazilian and Mauritanian daggers have a heavy Spanish-Moorish influence. Found some examples that have similarity, but they are for sale
motan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd September 2019, 08:19 PM   #14
carlos
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 664
Default

My opinion is spanish blade with brazilian handle.
I have seen similar blades un spanish knives.
Carlos
carlos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd September 2019, 10:24 PM   #15
Ian
Vikingsword Staff
 
Ian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: The Aussie Bush
Posts: 2,694
Default

A very interesting knife. Thanks for presenting it here.

The pierced blade and copper insert on the blade suggest to me a Spanish origin for it, but the hilt is not Spanish. The style of the hilt suggests South America, and I would favor Argentina more than Brazil based on the combination of silver and gold washed (?) areas and the patterns stamped on them. The small bolster ("button") is not typical of either Brazilian or Argentine knives AFAIK, strengthening the idea that the blade is Spanish. The metal sheath is not like anything I have seen before from Brazil or Argentina, and seems more Mediterranean to me.

I would favor an Argentine hilt rather than Brazilian for the reasons stated, and also because Argentina was a Spanish colony and Brazil was Portuguese.

Ian
Ian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23rd September 2019, 01:36 PM   #16
alex8765
Member
 
alex8765's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: NYC
Posts: 40
Default

Thank you gentlemen. Very interesting and helpful discussion.

Alex.
alex8765 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



All times are GMT. The time now is 08:05 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.