Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons
User Name
Password
FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 3rd November 2012, 01:46 PM   #1
Spunjer
Member
 
Spunjer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Witness Protection Program
Posts: 1,704
Default Fully Loaded Binangon

so the wife pried me off the couch to go to this antique mall we visit when we're bored. well, she got her some old ceramic jugs.
i found this pretty complete, turn of the century binangon. if this was a honda accord, it would be the top of the line E-X model. scabbard has the shell cover and an unusual locking system in which the disc guard would actually click to this gizmo at the throat. it's made out of carabao horn, similar to the disc guard. the leather throat is gaudily decorated with miniature mirrors, and a red velvet fabric (which have both faded with time). also unusual is the built-on belt that has a coconut button.
the disc guard is beautifully carved.
Attached Images
    
Spunjer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd November 2012, 01:48 PM   #2
Spunjer
Member
 
Spunjer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Witness Protection Program
Posts: 1,704
Default

additional photos
Attached Images
   
Spunjer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd November 2012, 02:10 PM   #3
Atlantia
Member
 
Atlantia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Sharp end
Posts: 2,928
Default

Well! That one certainly ticks all the right boxes!
A beautiful example, congratulations indeed!!!
Love the way the guard slots into the mouth of the scabbard.
Atlantia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd November 2012, 03:38 PM   #4
Robert
EAAF Staff
 
Robert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Centerville, Kansas
Posts: 2,189
Default

WOW Now that is nice. It certainly does have all the bells and whistles. Makes me want to get out and cruise through whats left of the antique shops around here. Congratulations on this great find.

Regards,
Robert
Robert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd November 2012, 03:47 PM   #5
David
Keris forum moderator
 
David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: The Great Midwest
Posts: 6,025
Default

Sweet!
David is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd November 2012, 04:58 PM   #6
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 6,369
Default

What a great piece! Congrats Ron!

I have seen these scabbard mouths before on lowlander pieces. This one is complete and well carved. Very nice indeed!
Battara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd November 2012, 09:55 PM   #7
Gavin Nugent
Member
 
Gavin Nugent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,413
Default

Interesting motifs on the sheath, Chinese influenced lucky coins.
The little flowers to the top, similar are also seen within the old French Indo China borders....

Gav
Gavin Nugent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd November 2012, 10:01 PM   #8
Ferguson
Member
 
Ferguson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Kernersville, NC, USA
Posts: 783
Send a message via AIM to Ferguson
Default

Simply stunning!
Steve
Ferguson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th November 2012, 09:43 AM   #9
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 6,836
Default

Hello Ron,

congrats for this purchase! A very nice and complete binangon. The sheath is very similar to my tenegre sheath what give you a estimated age of yours. The flower is a catmoon flower. My scabbard has as well this pieces of mirrow and and a very similar design, look here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11550.

When you ever get bored by this beauty....

Regards,

Detlef
Attached Images
 
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th November 2012, 10:07 AM   #10
Gavin Nugent
Member
 
Gavin Nugent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,413
Default flower

Please share more information on this flower you mention Sajen, does it go by any other name?

Thanks

Gavin
Gavin Nugent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th November 2012, 10:23 AM   #11
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 6,836
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by freebooter
Please share more information on this flower you mention Sajen, does it go by any other name?

Thanks

Gavin



Hello Gavin,

I have this information from Nacho given to me/us in the the thread I posted in up in post # 12. I don't have more informations, sorry.

Regards,

Detlef
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th November 2012, 11:04 AM   #12
Gavin Nugent
Member
 
Gavin Nugent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,413
Default

Thanks Detlef,

Interesting also to see that the inner part of the lucky coin motif would sit within the geometric design of the "Catmoon" flower arrangement.

Gavin
Gavin Nugent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th November 2012, 02:57 PM   #13
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 6,369
Default

I forget, is it the blade form that makes this a binangon?

On another note, this is a common motif on this island - seen it on upland Panay pieces as well (pieces with long noses).
Battara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th November 2012, 03:55 PM   #14
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 6,836
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Battara
I forget, is it the blade form that makes this a binangon?

On another note, this is a common motif on this island - seen it on upland Panay pieces as well (pieces with long noses).



Hi Jose,

I am as well every time confused by this both terms. But when I understand correct is the sword from Ron a tenegre and my one a binangon, see the thread I have given. It isn't the blade form but the handle form what makes a binangon or tenegre. See post #20 & #24 in the thread I have given.

For the second question: I simple don't know. Maybe Nacho or someone other is able to give us an answer.

Regards,

Detlef
Attached Images
 
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th November 2012, 05:31 PM   #15
Spunjer
Member
 
Spunjer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Witness Protection Program
Posts: 1,704
Default

freebooter, the flower motif has always been integral to the ilonggo arts. besides weapons, these particular motif can be seen on textiles and architecture. if you notice on the majority of ilonggo weapons, the deity hilt has a flower cap. Nacho has postulated that these represented the Katmon flower (dillenia philippinensis). i have heard that the four petal supposed to represent the main cardinal points.
as far as what it's called we (as ilonggo) would call this a binangon, whether the blade profile is that of what sajen's have, or the one that i have. bangkaya has eloquently explained that in this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=16115.
IMHO, this is what i would consider more of a tenegre:
Attached Images
 
Spunjer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th November 2012, 05:56 PM   #16
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 6,836
Default

So at best we call both sanduko!
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th November 2012, 01:04 AM   #17
Spunjer
Member
 
Spunjer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Witness Protection Program
Posts: 1,704
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sajen
So at best we call both sanduko!


if you were FROM Capiz or Aklan, then yes, it would be referred to as sanduko.
Spunjer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th November 2012, 05:08 AM   #18
VVV
Member
 
VVV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Sweden
Posts: 1,635
Default

What a beauty, congratulations!!!

Michael
VVV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th November 2012, 07:07 AM   #19
carlos
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 679
Default

This is a really beatiful sword congratulations with this adquisition
best regards

carlos
carlos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th November 2012, 06:22 PM   #20
CharlesS
Member
 
CharlesS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Greenville, NC
Posts: 1,704
Default

Very nice...and great to know there are still treasures out there in the least likely places!
CharlesS is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 20th November 2012, 09:13 AM   #21
Bangkaya
Member
 
Bangkaya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 30
Default

Nice score on the binangon, Spunjer! I'll call it a tinegre since it has the figural anito head. Either way it's Ilonggo so I wouldn't call it a sanduko.

As for the floral motif found on swords on the island of Panay, the katmon flower figures highly as a cultural and mythical motif especially among the Suluds of the highlands. It's a very common motif embroidered among their blouses. As Spunjer noted, it is representative of the 4 cardinal points. However, the pre-Spanish belief was that the flower was an offering to Bakunawa to prevent his wrath upon the people which usually was floods, typhoons, etc. Moreover, Bakunawa was blamed for eclipses....as explained in this Amaya episode.

HTML Code:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD656KPnrv8


One example of the katmon flower being used as an offering is that it is placed in the first hole dug for the mainframe posts of a house. Depending on the time of the year the structure is made determines the direction in which Bakunawa is resting and holes are then dug in a certain direction and order accordingly. This offering and the correct procedure in constructing a house or building prevents Bakunawa's wrath and helps protect it from typhoons, floods, earthquakes, etc.

Regards,
Bangkaya
Bangkaya is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th January 2013, 04:26 PM   #22
Spunjer
Member
 
Spunjer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Witness Protection Program
Posts: 1,704
Default

You know, growing up in Iloilo and spending the summers in my grandma's farm in Ajuy, I have never heard anyone used the term tinegre, even from the old timers. It's always binangon. It was when i started collecting when i heard the term tinegre for the first time.
Now my old man, he's no collector, intimated to me that the term tinegre are those that were used by the bandits, whatever they may be. It connotes bad juju. That, and plaminkos.
Spunjer is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



All times are GMT. The time now is 11:28 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.