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Old 4th May 2009, 10:41 PM   #1
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Default TS marking o a german(?) 16th century blade

Can anybody tell me more about those maker marking? German?
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Old 5th May 2009, 06:19 AM   #2
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Hi Valjhun,
I just wanted you to know I have just about torn the bookmobile here apart trying to find this, but so far no luck. This was all during my rampage on the 'pappenheimer' thread, so there are books everywhere

I checked 'Wallace Collection'; Cronau; Gyngell; et al, but so far no luck. Maybe someone here can help???
Michael???

What type of blade is this on? Maybe a full picture?

Just wanted you to know the post is not being ignored.

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Old 5th May 2009, 04:08 PM   #3
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Hi Valjhun

I have looked as well. I am unable to identify it yet but will keep looking. I have the suspicion this is a Solingen variation of a Toledo mark. As Jim has mentioned pictures of the entire sword or any other marks would be very useful.

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Old 5th May 2009, 04:45 PM   #4
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Hi Valjhun

I have looked as well. I am unable to identify it yet but will keep looking. I have the suspicion this is a Solingen variation of a Toledo mark. As Jim has mentioned pictures of the entire sword or any other marks would be very useful.

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Hi Jeff,
Again, I'm really glad to see you here. You've always been a true bloodhound at markings...and if you cant find it......we got trouble!

Good suggestion on Solingen interpretation, as we know they copied many markings and of course many from Toledo. One clue was always misspelling and transliteration. It seems the initials should be reversed.

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Old 5th May 2009, 05:52 PM   #5
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Hello,

All the Original 2 character Toledo marks have the name Character above the Town character (T for Toledo as the lowest character).
(This is also copied by Wolfgang Stantler, Muenchen).

your mark can be the mark of Clemens Tesche Solingen 17thC or Wilhelm Tesche Solingen early 17thC, it is published that they both have copied Toledo marks (Alonso de Sahagun, S under crown, Tomas de Ayala ST under crown).
The name of the maker T(esche) above the town mark S(olingen) makes sense if they copied well.


I think the type of the hilt and blade can give more outcome, can you place a
picture in this thread?

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Old 6th May 2009, 01:44 AM   #6
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Here it is.

Is that the so called muenchen town watch sword?
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