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Old 14th November 2019, 06:33 PM   #1
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Default Early polearm or Lochaber axe or something else ?

Early polearm or Lochaber axe or something else ?
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Old 14th November 2019, 06:44 PM   #2
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see this link and also the picture
https://www.rct.uk/collection/94950/lochaber-axes
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Old 14th November 2019, 06:56 PM   #3
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Bardiche?
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Old 16th November 2019, 01:36 PM   #4
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Hi Jean Luc,

I presume this is a so called whale blubber meat cutter with characteristic rounded point and eyes with a distance from the blade. 18 or 19thC

early halberds have a sharp spike and eyes close to the blade.

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Old 16th November 2019, 09:37 PM   #5
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The museum in (Kingstown upon) Hull in the UK has a nice display of Whale disassembly tools and this does not look like any I saw there. So I would say Bardiche or Lochaber axe.
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Old 17th November 2019, 10:04 AM   #6
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found this 'Croatian Bardiche' on a bing search
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Old 17th November 2019, 10:20 AM   #7
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Hi Jean Luc,

I presume this is a so called whale blubber meat cutter with characteristic rounded point and eyes with a distance from the blade. 18 or 19thC

early halberds have a sharp spike and eyes close to the blade.

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Which publication is this taken from? It looks good.
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Old 17th November 2019, 10:23 AM   #8
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found this 'Croatian Bardiche' on a bing search


From the caption I think the bardiche on the left is described as Russian. The war axe on the right is described as Croatian.
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Old 17th November 2019, 11:16 AM   #9
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From the caption I think the bardiche on the left is described as Russian. The war axe on the right is described as Croatian.


Yes, the search I did was for "Croatian AND Bardiche" just "bardiche" or "russian bardiche did not bring up anything useful. I Added "Croatian" based on another photo that appeared to be germaine, also no ref. noted.

The page says it's Russian, appears to be in German,title of the book was cut off. One of our more bookish experts who have exhaustive libraries may recognise it.
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post 6 is from Europaische Hieb-und stichwaffen , Mueller koelling.

the early halberds of my post 4 are from Hafted weapons in medieval and renaissance Europe by John Waldman

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post 6 is from Europaische Hieb-und stichwaffen , Mueller koelling.

the early halberds of my post 4 are from Hafted weapons in medieval and renaissance Europe by John Waldman

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Thank you for that, Jasper. I think Waldman and Snook are the classics when it comes to halberds. I had forgotten how good the former is -had to look it up again!
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Thanks, cornelistromp, looks like a cool book. Will have to buy a copy when I win the lottery. Expensive book.
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Sorry to burst the bubble, it is a French agri-tool called coup-marc.
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Old 21st November 2019, 07:51 PM   #14
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Sorry to burst the bubble, it is a French agri-tool called coup-marc.


...and your source/reference/examples? many agri-tools were also weapons when required like bill hooks, early swiss halberds/ Scots axes, etc.
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when i looked up Coup Marc I get the following
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...and your source/reference/examples? many agri-tools were also weapons when required like bill hooks, early swiss halberds/ Scots axes, etc.


Sure, well known fact. Sometimes it is pretty hard to tell between, sometimes there is no difference. As a collector and researcher, I also believed this fine example of blacksmithing was forged to be a weapon, but no. Too heavy and ill-balanced.
Years ago, a highly respected auction house even labeled a similar piece as "the ever ellusive French double socketed beheading axe", romantic but false.
Boucard, Daniel, 1998, Les Haches, pp. 210-211
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Exactly my point: several patterns, abundant in cider regions like Bretagne.
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Old 22nd November 2019, 11:39 PM   #18
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gets confusing, a well known tale about an incompetent UK executioner who took a few blows with his axe to remove a ladies noggin, he used what was in actuality a carpenters side axe, used to square beams that had an offset blade with a chisel edge and wasn't designed to chop necks. It's designed to shave a vertical surface of a log flat, not chop stuff.

By the way, searching for a carpenter's side axe i found this modern one. Looks familiar.

I seem to recall us discussing army wagon drivers carrying axes for their use which occasionally got pressed into service if they were attacked, turned out they were also carpenters side axes. apparently many are sold as 'battle axes'.

I also note the originally posted one does NOT have the offset of a carpenter's side axe.
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