Swords 15th century?

corrado26 · 29th July 2016, 02:41 PM

A friend of mine sent me these fotos and was very proud having been able to buy such rare pieces in a very good condition. As for me they are in too good condition I wonder what the experts may say.
Thanks
corrado26

mariusgmioc · 29th July 2016, 03:26 PM

Exactly my first thought!
Too good for 15-18th century. 19th at best!

But keep it in mind that I am by no means an expert, and not even knowledgeable in the field. Just merely a mechanic with a hobby.

Croccifixio · 29th July 2016, 05:18 PM

The fuller not running down the blade through the tang for me is a telltale sign. Also, the fullered blade type XVI-ish geometry on semi-complex hilts... Seems quite incompatible. Leather looks way too new. Blades also look a bit too straight. Finally, I think the grips are a bit too fat and short for the period.

Jim McDougall · 29th July 2016, 06:39 PM

Looking forward to Ulfberth's thoughts!

stekemest · 29th July 2016, 06:43 PM

Doesn't look like 15th century to me. Probably not even historicism, I would tend more to a 20th century reproduction.

ulfberth · 29th July 2016, 07:18 PM

Hi all,

these are definitely no forging work of the 16th century and yes to straight, the grooves in the pommel look wrong and the twisted crossguard to.
The pictures are not detailed enough to give more detailed reasons but as Stekemest has already mentioned probably not even 19th C either.
It looks as if both of these swords are work of the same hands, just a few details like the end of the fuller is almost identical on both blades, the work and even the odd color of the pommels is alike, separately these observations might prove nothing but in this case if you ad them all up it becomes obvious.

Kind regards

Ulfberth

mariusgmioc · 30th July 2016, 07:37 AM

Just to add that the hilts are same material and exactly the same condition on both swords...

After all the comments I believe the conclusion is quite obvious.

corrado26 · 30th July 2016, 02:53 PM

Many thanks for all your comments which confirmed my impression of the swords. I'll send them to the owner hoping that he will be able to read the English answers.
corrado26

29th July 2016, 02:41 PM	#1
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,167	Swords 15th century? A friend of mine sent me these fotos and was very proud having been able to buy such rare pieces in a very good condition. As for me they are in too good condition I wonder what the experts may say. Thanks corrado26 Attached Images

29th July 2016, 03:26 PM	#2
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,870	Exactly my first thought! Too good for 15-18th century. 19th at best! But keep it in mind that I am by no means an expert, and not even knowledgeable in the field. Just merely a mechanic with a hobby.

29th July 2016, 05:18 PM	#3
Croccifixio Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 33	The fuller not running down the blade through the tang for me is a telltale sign. Also, the fullered blade type XVI-ish geometry on semi-complex hilts... Seems quite incompatible. Leather looks way too new. Blades also look a bit too straight. Finally, I think the grips are a bit too fat and short for the period.

29th July 2016, 06:39 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,738	Looking forward to Ulfberth's thoughts!

29th July 2016, 06:43 PM	#5
stekemest Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 182	Doesn't look like 15th century to me. Probably not even historicism, I would tend more to a 20th century reproduction.

29th July 2016, 07:18 PM	#6
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 382	Hi all, these are definitely no forging work of the 16th century and yes to straight, the grooves in the pommel look wrong and the twisted crossguard to. The pictures are not detailed enough to give more detailed reasons but as Stekemest has already mentioned probably not even 19th C either. It looks as if both of these swords are work of the same hands, just a few details like the end of the fuller is almost identical on both blades, the work and even the odd color of the pommels is alike, separately these observations might prove nothing but in this case if you ad them all up it becomes obvious. Kind regards Ulfberth

30th July 2016, 07:37 AM	#7
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,870	Just to add that the hilts are same material and exactly the same condition on both swords... After all the comments I believe the conclusion is quite obvious.

30th July 2016, 02:53 PM	#8
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,167	Many thanks for all your comments which confirmed my impression of the swords. I'll send them to the owner hoping that he will be able to read the English answers. corrado26