PARANG NJABOER / NABUR ' Recognition Chart ' (i)

Amuk Murugul · 9th January 2015, 05:34 AM

Just for the sake of completeness:

Pedang Salin Alai Waloet & Pedang Salin Alai Balanak respectively:

VVV · 9th January 2015, 06:52 AM

Amuk,

It's interesting to see all slight variations of the same sword in one thread but what is the purpose of that you are giving each variation a modern Indonesian name?

I am also a bit perplexed that you are using the general term "Parang Njaboer" for some of them. From where does this term come and what does it mean?

What is the difference in your chart between the "Parang Njaboer" and the "Baladaw Balabang", except dress materials and (mostly) age?

"Prior to c.1860, red-painted parang-njaboers ( Baladaw Balabang ) were worn by outer-perimeter palace-guards."

Could you please develop this interesting information - which palace, what source and why prior to 1860? Did they stop making them after c. 1860, so the scabbard is an exact age indicator?

Why haven't you included the Banjar Jenawi in this list (enclosed)?

Michael

Amuk Murugul · 15th November 2015, 04:21 AM

Hullo everybody!

Pedang Parang Lais (c1800):

LxOALxWxT=46x57x2.06x1.09cm.

Enjoy!

Best,

ariel · 15th November 2015, 01:31 PM

I might be missing a point, but what was the basis of such a classification?

Size? Handle? Contour of the point? Contour of the blade? Color of the scabbard?

What " differences in the basic shape " are important? Are we talking about real issues of construction or just about local monikers of the same sword?
I do love Parang Naburs and would love to really understand them.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=nimcha

For example: would you refer to it as. Lais type?

Help me out.
Thanks.

kronckew · 15th November 2015, 03:35 PM

my parang nabur (Beladah Belabang)

asomotif · 15th November 2015, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

my parang nabur (Beladah Belabang)

Nice example. In dutch terminology this could be called :
"Krom zwaard met gemene scherpe punt en bloedgeul"

A lot of dutch would call it "sabel" or "klewang".

This terminology is fully regardless of size, curvature, shape, age and espcecially regardless of colour.

If my comment is puzzling you...
This thread is puzzling me.

kronckew · 15th November 2015, 08:28 PM

Krom zwaard met gemene scherpe punt en bloedgeul="Scimitar with a nasty sharp point and blood groove". (really. no such thing as 'blood grooves', they're 'fullers' in english, a device to lighten a blade without losing rigidity.

in the words of the immortal bard, crocodile dundee, that's not a dutchy sabel/klewang, THIS is a dutchy sabel/klewang:

.

the dutch ARE fond of the clipped points on their sabels.

premise: jim bowie (boo-ee) was a dutchman. discuss.

9th January 2015, 05:34 AM	#1
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 457	Brother-In-Arms Just for the sake of completeness: Pedang Salin Alai Waloet & Pedang Salin Alai Balanak respectively: Attached Images Last edited by Amuk Murugul; 9th January 2015 at 05:49 AM.

9th January 2015, 06:52 AM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Amuk, It's interesting to see all slight variations of the same sword in one thread but what is the purpose of that you are giving each variation a modern Indonesian name? I am also a bit perplexed that you are using the general term "Parang Njaboer" for some of them. From where does this term come and what does it mean? What is the difference in your chart between the "Parang Njaboer" and the "Baladaw Balabang", except dress materials and (mostly) age? "Prior to c.1860, red-painted parang-njaboers ( Baladaw Balabang ) were worn by outer-perimeter palace-guards." Could you please develop this interesting information - which palace, what source and why prior to 1860? Did they stop making them after c. 1860, so the scabbard is an exact age indicator? Why haven't you included the Banjar Jenawi in this list (enclosed)? Michael Attached Images

15th November 2015, 04:21 AM	#3
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 457	A PRECURSOR ..... Hullo everybody! Pedang Parang Lais (c1800): LxOALxWxT=46x57x2.06x1.09cm. Enjoy! Best, Attached Images Last edited by Amuk Murugul; 15th November 2015 at 04:34 AM. Reason: added info

15th November 2015, 01:31 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I might be missing a point, but what was the basis of such a classification? Size? Handle? Contour of the point? Contour of the blade? Color of the scabbard? What " differences in the basic shape " are important? Are we talking about real issues of construction or just about local monikers of the same sword? I do love Parang Naburs and would love to really understand them. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=nimcha For example: would you refer to it as. Lais type? Help me out. Thanks. Last edited by ariel; 15th November 2015 at 01:47 PM.

15th November 2015, 03:35 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,152	my parang nabur (Beladah Belabang) Attached Images

15th November 2015, 08:28 PM	#7
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,152	Krom zwaard met gemene scherpe punt en bloedgeul="Scimitar with a nasty sharp point and blood groove". (really. no such thing as 'blood grooves', they're 'fullers' in english, a device to lighten a blade without losing rigidity. in the words of the immortal bard, crocodile dundee, that's not a dutchy sabel/klewang, THIS is a dutchy sabel/klewang: . the dutch ARE fond of the clipped points on their sabels. premise: jim bowie (boo-ee) was a dutchman. discuss. Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 15th November 2015 at 08:50 PM.