SPANISH MIQUELET GUN NEED HELP

Fernando K · 9th January 2012, 01:22 PM

Hola
A pesar de las palabras de Fernando, no soy un experto. Solo soy un modesto coleccionista y un amante de la historia de las armas.
En cuanto a la marca, dice Y B A R R A. Respecto a la tercera marca, no la puedo descifrar.
Te sugiero dirigirte a Juan L. Calvó, que vive en España, y es autor de varios libros y artículos sobre el tema, y que tiene una página:

www.catalogaciondearmas.com

Desde Argentina, afectuosamente. Fernando

Hello
Despite the words of Fernando, I'm not an expert. I'm just a humble collector and a lover of the history of arms.
As for the brand, says Y B A R R A. Regarding the third mark, I can not decipher.
I suggest you go to John L. Calvo, who lives in Spain, and is the author of several books and articles on the subject, and has a page:

www.catalogaciondearmas.com

From Argentina, affectionately. Fernando K

Fernando K · 9th January 2012, 11:14 PM

Hola:

Ramiro Larrañaga (opus citatus), pagina 218/19:

Ibarra (Ybarra), andrés de. Chispero (lockmaker). Eibar. 1762
Francisco de. Maestro examinador de Placencia hasta 1850
Francisco de. Chispero (lockmaker). Placencia.1820
José de. Eibar.1821 Pistolas de chispa.
Miguel Antonio de.1795

Afectuosamente. Fernando

Hi

Ramiro Larrañaga (opus citatus), page 218/19:

Ibarra (Ybarra), Andres. Chispero (lockmaker). Eibar. 1762
Francisco de. Master Placencia examiner until 1850
Francisco de. Chispero (lockmaker). Placencia.1820
José de. Guns Eibar.1821 spark.
Miguel Antonio de.1795

Affectionately. Fernando

Cerjak · 10th January 2012, 05:59 PM

Fernando&Fernando K

again thank you ! It is nice I was making many reseachs without any result and now I have many informations.
I decide to clean those escopeta 2 weeks ago and when I was cleaning the barrel the name of AGUSTO Bust ??? R?? appears and after searching in google in found one thread from vikings sword relating one miquelet pistol who had help me to find the full inscription "Agustin Bustindui Ruiz" so after with your help I had the full identification for those "escopeta" ( I was even not knowing the name)
It is funny now if you search inggoogle picture after BUSTINDUI ESCOPETA you will find some pics about my gun but it will be hepfull for the next people who will need to identify similar gun and this it is because of your extensive knowledge.
I have 2 other miquelet guns one with a lock with baccari sign and an other I think from sardenia I will be verry happy if you could help me again.
Now I just have to find the last mark in the second escopeta but difficult to read(lock GVU??S)
Muchas gracias.

Fernando K · 25th January 2012, 07:34 PM

Hola Cerjak

Después de mucho mirar, me parece que el punzón dice:

G U I

S A S

O L A

Afectuosamente. Fernando K

Hello Cerjak

After much looking, I think the punch says:

G U I

S A S

O L A

Cerjak · 26th January 2012, 09:52 AM

Fernando K

You are right it must be GUIASOLA who was working in EIBAR because the two guns was from the same family collection and the first one was from EIBAR , now We have the full identification!
I suppose that you know this site..
http://www.tamu.edu/faculty/ccbn/dew...d/miqulet.html
From this site :
"The miquelet lock shown at the left (figure1) was made by Guisasola, probably in Eibar, Spain, circa 1800. It is of the classic patilla style most often encountered in Spanish Colonial America. "
Thank you for your help and research.

Kind regards

Cerjak

Fernando K · 26th January 2012, 01:50 PM

Hi, Cerjak

Ramiro Larrañaga (opus citatus) Pag. 217/8

G U I S A S O L A:
Antonio de. Cajero. Eibar.1762
Antonio de. Escopetero. Eibar 1790/833. Padre de Pedro.
Felipe de. Vergara. En 1795 fué a Asturias
Félix de. Eibar. En 1794 fué a Asturias
José de. Eibar. 1794. Fué a Asturias
Juan Bautista de. 1795. Fué a Asturias
Martín de. 1795. Fué a Asturias.

Afectuosamente. Fernando K

cannonmn · 27th January 2012, 03:15 PM

I've studied Spanish artillery and am in fact the co-founder of the online group SARA (Spanish Artillery Research Associates which anyone is welcome to join) at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spanishartillery/

but I know very little about Spanish small arms. This piece looks like a very fine, high-grade sporting arm, given the extra embellishments, the once gold-filled touchmarks, etc.

Does anyone know if the maker(s) of this elaborate firearm also made plain muskets for the Spanish Army? Are there any contracts of record between the maker and the Spanish crown?

10th January 2012, 05:59 PM	#3
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,064	thank you Fernando&Fernando K again thank you ! It is nice I was making many reseachs without any result and now I have many informations. I decide to clean those escopeta 2 weeks ago and when I was cleaning the barrel the name of AGUSTO Bust ??? R?? appears and after searching in google in found one thread from vikings sword relating one miquelet pistol who had help me to find the full inscription "Agustin Bustindui Ruiz" so after with your help I had the full identification for those "escopeta" ( I was even not knowing the name) It is funny now if you search inggoogle picture after BUSTINDUI ESCOPETA you will find some pics about my gun but it will be hepfull for the next people who will need to identify similar gun and this it is because of your extensive knowledge. I have 2 other miquelet guns one with a lock with baccari sign and an other I think from sardenia I will be verry happy if you could help me again. Now I just have to find the last mark in the second escopeta but difficult to read(lock GVU??S) Muchas gracias.

26th January 2012, 09:52 AM	#5
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,064	thank you Fernado K Fernando K You are right it must be GUIASOLA who was working in EIBAR because the two guns was from the same family collection and the first one was from EIBAR , now We have the full identification! I suppose that you know this site.. http://www.tamu.edu/faculty/ccbn/dew...d/miqulet.html From this site : "The miquelet lock shown at the left (figure1) was made by Guisasola, probably in Eibar, Spain, circa 1800. It is of the classic patilla style most often encountered in Spanish Colonial America. " Thank you for your help and research. Kind regards Cerjak

9th January 2012, 01:22 PM	#1
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 664	Hola A pesar de las palabras de Fernando, no soy un experto. Solo soy un modesto coleccionista y un amante de la historia de las armas. En cuanto a la marca, dice Y B A R R A. Respecto a la tercera marca, no la puedo descifrar. Te sugiero dirigirte a Juan L. Calvó, que vive en España, y es autor de varios libros y artículos sobre el tema, y que tiene una página: www.catalogaciondearmas.com Desde Argentina, afectuosamente. Fernando Hello Despite the words of Fernando, I'm not an expert. I'm just a humble collector and a lover of the history of arms. As for the brand, says Y B A R R A. Regarding the third mark, I can not decipher. I suggest you go to John L. Calvo, who lives in Spain, and is the author of several books and articles on the subject, and has a page: www.catalogaciondearmas.com From Argentina, affectionately. Fernando K

9th January 2012, 11:14 PM	#2
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 664	Hola: Ramiro Larrañaga (opus citatus), pagina 218/19: Ibarra (Ybarra), andrés de. Chispero (lockmaker). Eibar. 1762 Francisco de. Maestro examinador de Placencia hasta 1850 Francisco de. Chispero (lockmaker). Placencia.1820 José de. Eibar.1821 Pistolas de chispa. Miguel Antonio de.1795 Afectuosamente. Fernando Hi Ramiro Larrañaga (opus citatus), page 218/19: Ibarra (Ybarra), Andres. Chispero (lockmaker). Eibar. 1762 Francisco de. Master Placencia examiner until 1850 Francisco de. Chispero (lockmaker). Placencia.1820 José de. Guns Eibar.1821 spark. Miguel Antonio de.1795 Affectionately. Fernando

25th January 2012, 07:34 PM	#4
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 664	Hola Cerjak Después de mucho mirar, me parece que el punzón dice: G U I S A S O L A Afectuosamente. Fernando K Hello Cerjak After much looking, I think the punch says: G U I S A S O L A

26th January 2012, 01:50 PM	#6
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 664	Hi, Cerjak Ramiro Larrañaga (opus citatus) Pag. 217/8 G U I S A S O L A: Antonio de. Cajero. Eibar.1762 Antonio de. Escopetero. Eibar 1790/833. Padre de Pedro. Felipe de. Vergara. En 1795 fué a Asturias Félix de. Eibar. En 1794 fué a Asturias José de. Eibar. 1794. Fué a Asturias Juan Bautista de. 1795. Fué a Asturias Martín de. 1795. Fué a Asturias. Afectuosamente. Fernando K

27th January 2012, 03:15 PM	#7
cannonmn Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 161	I've studied Spanish artillery and am in fact the co-founder of the online group SARA (Spanish Artillery Research Associates which anyone is welcome to join) at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spanishartillery/ but I know very little about Spanish small arms. This piece looks like a very fine, high-grade sporting arm, given the extra embellishments, the once gold-filled touchmarks, etc. Does anyone know if the maker(s) of this elaborate firearm also made plain muskets for the Spanish Army? Are there any contracts of record between the maker and the Spanish crown?