BEATIFUL KERIS!!

carlos · 12th April 2007, 08:48 PM

WHAT ARE YOUR OPINION ABOUT THIS KERIS? HORN, IVORY, A BEATIFUL PIECE!!
CARLOS

carlos · 14th April 2007, 07:41 PM

Emanuel · 14th April 2007, 08:07 PM

Wow what dapur is that? I won't even try counting the luks. I like the stacked horn/ivory sarong and smooth flow of the wrongko. The trace of pamor and the ada-ada looks like it runs straight down the length of the blade instead of following the luks. Could the waves be ground instead of forged?
Someone else posted a keris and a sewar in a similar dress a while ado...the combination was quite beautiful. Is this a Malay keris?

Emanuel

Pusaka · 14th April 2007, 08:41 PM

Looks to me that the luk are ground out. In your photo I think I can see a vein through the center of the blade, if so is the pamor line going down the length of the blade straight or does it wave side to side following the geometry of the luk? If it is straight it confirms that the luk were cut out of the blade rather then forged.

kai · 14th April 2007, 08:43 PM

I'm afraid Emanuel is on the right track with this one...

BTW, I'm counting 40 luk which wouldn't a good omen either.

Maybe our Madurese friends again?

Carlos, could you please post a close-up from the base of the blade?

Regards,
Kai

Alam Shah · 15th April 2007, 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

I'm afraid Emanuel is on the right track with this one...

I agree with Emanuel's observations.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

BTW, I'm counting 40 luk which wouldn't a good omen either.

I counted 41 luks.

The sheath's 'stacked' construction is nice and rather unique, reminds me of BluErf's panjang... but that's were the similarity ends.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Carlos, could you please post a close-up from the base of the blade?

Some features requires close-up. I second Kai's request and also request for a close up of the hilt, sheath's cross-piece, an area of the sheath's stacked construction and the sheath's end-piece. These should gives us a pretty good idea of the piece.

Pusaka · 15th April 2007, 11:09 AM

LOL……I really should read others posts before I post, just read Emanuel’s post ……..good observations Emanuel LOL

Emanuel · 15th April 2007, 02:51 PM

Woohoo concensus!!

Looks like I learned something after two years on this forum

I've seen a number of new keris on ebay with high numbers of luks, often advertised as being from kalimantan/Borneo. Are numerous luks desirable these days or is it still just for tourist appeal? Odd for a ground blade to come with an ivory (or bone?) dress.

There are some light artefacts on the pictures, it would indeed be good to see close-ups.

Emanuel

Battara · 15th April 2007, 07:16 PM

I also noticed that there seems to be simple silver inlay at the base of the blade and the luk look awefully sharp and pointed, like luk found on modern tourist Moro kris (near Borneo).

Pangeran Datu · 20th April 2007, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manolo

Woohoo concensus!!

Looks like I learned something after two years on this forum

I've seen a number of new keris on ebay with high numbers of luks, often advertised as being from kalimantan/Borneo. Are numerous luks desirable these days or is it still just for tourist appeal? Odd for a ground blade to come with an ivory (or bone?) dress.

There are some light artefacts on the pictures, it would indeed be good to see close-ups.

Emanuel

G'day mateys,

- I agree with the previous comments.

- There are those who believe that in custom-made kerises, the number of Eluks reflect the quality/status of the wearer/owner. The higher the number of Eluks, the better.
Having said this, I hasten to add that kerises with more than 13 Eluks are relatively uncommon.
When examining kerises with more than 13 Eluks, I tend to proceed with caution.
When examining kerises with MORE than 29 Eluks, I proceed with EXTRA caution.

- These days, it isn't hard to find total dresses for kerises made of bone, ivory or indeed fossil molar (the raw materials being all legally traded).

- Have you tested for bone/ivory using the 'hot needle' test?

- 'Where there is a perceived market, there WILL be a product'.

- Please correct me if I'm wrong but, as I understand it, keris-making, especially in places like Brunei, enjoy the patronage of the state. In fact, I believe that the patronage may be of such a level that what is unsold commercially is bought by the state, ensuring a steady livelihood for the keris-makers (and hence the preservation of the art). Thus there is incentive for these keris-makers to be creative and enterprising.

- As for the Dapur, it resembles the straight keris dapurs: Dungkul, Regol or Sepang (hard to tell from the picture).

Cheers.

12th April 2007, 08:48 PM	#1
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 731	BEATIFUL KERIS!! WHAT ARE YOUR OPINION ABOUT THIS KERIS? HORN, IVORY, A BEATIFUL PIECE!! CARLOS Last edited by carlos; 12th April 2007 at 08:54 PM. Reason: THE PICTURE IS TOO LARGE!!!

14th April 2007, 07:41 PM	#2
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 731	Maybe now?

14th April 2007, 08:07 PM	#3
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Wow what dapur is that? I won't even try counting the luks. I like the stacked horn/ivory sarong and smooth flow of the wrongko. The trace of pamor and the ada-ada looks like it runs straight down the length of the blade instead of following the luks. Could the waves be ground instead of forged? Someone else posted a keris and a sewar in a similar dress a while ado...the combination was quite beautiful. Is this a Malay keris? Emanuel

14th April 2007, 08:41 PM	#4
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	Looks to me that the luk are ground out. In your photo I think I can see a vein through the center of the blade, if so is the pamor line going down the length of the blade straight or does it wave side to side following the geometry of the luk? If it is straight it confirms that the luk were cut out of the blade rather then forged.

14th April 2007, 08:43 PM	#5
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,218	I'm afraid Emanuel is on the right track with this one... BTW, I'm counting 40 luk which wouldn't a good omen either. Maybe our Madurese friends again? Carlos, could you please post a close-up from the base of the blade? Regards, Kai

15th April 2007, 11:09 AM	#7
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	LOL……I really should read others posts before I post, just read Emanuel’s post ……..good observations Emanuel LOL

15th April 2007, 02:51 PM	#8
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Woohoo concensus!! Looks like I learned something after two years on this forum I've seen a number of new keris on ebay with high numbers of luks, often advertised as being from kalimantan/Borneo. Are numerous luks desirable these days or is it still just for tourist appeal? Odd for a ground blade to come with an ivory (or bone?) dress. There are some light artefacts on the pictures, it would indeed be good to see close-ups. Emanuel

15th April 2007, 07:16 PM	#9
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	I also noticed that there seems to be simple silver inlay at the base of the blade and the luk look awefully sharp and pointed, like luk found on modern tourist Moro kris (near Borneo).