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Old 15th March 2015, 10:47 AM   #1
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Default Shamshir or pulvar?

Colleagues, I ask everyone to express their opinion as to name an item on the photos:
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Old 15th March 2015, 10:49 AM   #2
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Pulwar.
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Old 15th March 2015, 11:42 AM   #3
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Pulwar.
Pulowar Hilt.
Schamshir blade.

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Old 15th March 2015, 12:15 PM   #4
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Pulowar Hilt.
Schamshir blade.

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Of course, Kurt. But if this item is called a single word, he - Shamshir or Pulvar?
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Old 15th March 2015, 12:45 PM   #5
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The hilt is the ID of the user so I would say Pulwar....
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Old 19th March 2015, 03:01 AM   #6
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The hilt is the ID of the user so I would say Pulwar....
I agree, this combination of blade and hilt was ment to be a pulwar.
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Old 19th March 2015, 08:01 AM   #7
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Indeed, this is a Pulwar. The blade types are found in a vast region through trade yet the hilt is ethnically chosen from the region which in my opinion should call this a Pulwar
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Old 19th March 2015, 10:23 AM   #8
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As per Stone's Glossary, it is a Pulwar.

As per Elgood's Glossary ( see his book on Indian weapons), and Oliver Pinchot's book Weapons of the Paladins, Pulwar is a mis-transcribed Tulwar, so it is a figment of European imagination:-)

As per info from my informants from the Western Pakistan ( Pakhtunkhwa, populated by ethnic Afghanis), nobody there knows the word Pulwar: for them it is a Shamshir.

Sometimes, words and names acquire their own life: we make "Xerox copies" using HP, Brother and Canon copiers:-)

In this particular case, the word Pulwar will convey maximum information for a Westerner, despite a very dubious connection with the true native tradition.

So, gentlemen, as barmen say, choose your poison:-)

If we want quick and easy lingo, it is, undoubtedly, a Pulwar.
If we are writing a catalog description for a major museum, it may be something like " an Afghani saber with a Persian shamshir blade and a handle stemming from old Deccani examples" This should be followed by a 5-page long dissertation citing multiple references and reconciling conflicting opinions

Ain't life a bitch?

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Ain't life a bitch?

:-)

Yep! it is...No doubt...

Very concise breakdown of the literature Ariel.
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Old 20th March 2015, 09:33 AM   #10
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As per Stone's Glossary, it is a Pulwar.

As per Elgood's Glossary ( see his book on Indian weapons), and Oliver Pinchot's book Weapons of the Paladins, Pulwar is a mis-transcribed Tulwar, so it is a figment of European imagination:-)

As per info from my informants from the Western Pakistan ( Pakhtunkhwa, populated by ethnic Afghanis), nobody there knows the word Pulwar: for them it is a Shamshir.

In this particular case, the word Pulwar will convey maximum information for a Westerner, despite a very dubious connection with the true native tradition.

If we want quick and easy lingo, it is, undoubtedly, a Pulwar.
If we are writing a catalog description for a major museum, it may be something like " an Afghani saber with a Persian shamshir blade and a handle stemming from old Deccani examples" This should be followed by a 5-page long dissertation citing multiple references and reconciling conflicting opinions

I apologize for my English. Thank you all for the views expressed.

Gavin, thank you for opinion. I totally agree with you.

Ariel, I did not ask to write the story of the origin of the handles of swords in Afghanistan. I asked a specific question.

And what's the difference, as in Afghanistan called saber? This is interesting from the point of view of ethnography. Nothing more. In modern literature there is a specific term "Pulvar." And those who are associated with oriental weapon it is clear that we are talking about afghan sabre.
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Old 20th March 2015, 11:22 PM   #11
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Well, if you are satisfied with a simple answer, if it does not bother you that the very word Pulwar might be a spelling error and that native Afghanis might not even know what Pulwar is, that's fine with me.


In this case it is a Pulwar, as I already said:-)

Does it answer your question now?

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Old 21st March 2015, 09:09 AM   #12
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We always learn something new about the Afghan weapons. A year ago, no one knew that in some parts of Afghanistan, the Khyber knife called "seelava" and lohar - "Daas". Therefore, the word Pulwar might be a spelling error. But maybe we just did not find the information that somewhere in Afghanistan so called saber.

But most importantly, as I wrote earlier, the literature has long adopted the term "pulvar."

Therefore, your answer:

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Old 21st March 2015, 04:23 PM   #13
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Interesting blade. Was it etched?
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Old 21st March 2015, 09:36 PM   #14
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Old 23rd March 2015, 10:58 PM   #15
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I am satisfied.
Cool! I wonder is that the same as happy?


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Cool! I wonder is that the same as happy?


happy link..

Hello, spiral

This Pulvar my friend. And he - satisfied and happy)))
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