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Old 27th February 2014, 06:25 PM   #1
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Default Java keris for considertation/comment

Recently I was able to add this keris to my small collection.
I hope to learn more about it.

I was thinking the form might be megantoro but I was reading this earlier discussion about this form and therefore I am now in doubt.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...light=megantoro

The gonjo does not have the typical curve at the end (excuse me but I do not know the correct name for that) which would be typical for the gonjo wilut I think?

The handle is Madura but I think the blade might be east Java?

Hope to hear your opinions and learn.

Many thanks in advance, Erik






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Old 27th February 2014, 09:07 PM   #2
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Erik, d'you suppose you could upload these images to the site please ?
If / When your photobucket account expires all the pictures are then lost .
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Old 28th February 2014, 08:45 AM   #3
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Hello Erik,
This old blade has 5 waves so IMO the dapur is not Megantara nor any of the established dapur types in Central Java.
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Old 28th February 2014, 05:49 PM   #4
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Hello Jean,

Thanks for your comment, what is the implication - that it was made in Madura?

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This old blade has 5 waves so IMO the dapur is not Megantara nor any of the established dapur types in Central Java.
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Old 28th February 2014, 09:44 PM   #5
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Thanks for your comment, what is the implication - that it was made in Madura?

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Hello Erik,
I have no clear idea but my personal guess would rather be an old javanese village or trade blade but other opinions are welcome
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Old 28th February 2014, 11:05 PM   #6
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Hey Erik…i just wanted to repeat Rick's request that you upload these and future images directly to the site instead of using photo bucket or other off-site photo servers. We have noticed that you did that in the Sunggingan thread as well. Direct uploads help us maintain an illustrated archive for future viewings and saves the researcher from fruitless searches that end in picture-less forum discussions.These conversations are always disjointed due to the disconnect created by the loss of visual examples. If you are unclear how to upload directly here is a link that holds some directions.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13631

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Old 1st March 2014, 12:37 AM   #7
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If you need any assistance contact either David or myself .
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If you need any assistance contact either David or myself .


Will resize the pictures so I can upload them directly.

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Old 1st March 2014, 07:28 AM   #9
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Here the pictures again directly uploaded.
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Old 1st March 2014, 05:13 PM   #10
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Thanks Erik, much appreciated!
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Old 9th March 2014, 02:51 PM   #11
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Any more input? Hope to receive more opinions!

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Old 9th March 2014, 10:00 PM   #12
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Erik, please do not interpret what I shall write as criticism, it is not, I am only attempting to guide you to a more productive way in which to gain information.

When a question is asked that does not focus on a specific aspect, it becomes what I call a "nature of the universe" question. It is open ended and spongy.

If you want specific answers, or even specific comment, it is best to ask specific questions.

For example, I could ask somebody:- " what's the weather like today"

He could answer:- " oh, not bad, pretty OK"

But he hasn't told me if it is raining, or likely to rain, and that's what I wanted to know.

Specific questions get specific answers.

If you want more comment on your keris try to home in on exactly what you would like to know.
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Old 10th March 2014, 09:45 PM   #13
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I understand and what I was looking for is the following
a) is there an specific/established dapur for this kerisform (and if so what is it)?
b) has the end curve of the ganja wilut broken of or would this be part of the dapur?
b) an estimation of tangguh

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Old 11th March 2014, 12:46 PM   #14
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a) --- There is no comparable dhapur in the Surakarta Pakem, but that does not mean that this was not a legitimate dhapur at the time it was made and in the place where it was made

b) --- This keris is very badly eroded, we can only guess at what might have been there before time stole it. I don't like guessing all that much.

c) --- I cannot classify this keris from photos. It has elements that suggest East Jawa, but "East Jawa" is not a recognised tangguh. Erik, something that has been forgotten about tangguh is this:- it arose to fulfill a societal need and it was originally intended to apply only to very high quality keris in very good condition:- keris of investment quality. For a long time now that has not been the case, everybody wants to slap a tangguh on every keris they see. I do not agree with this approach and prefer not to get involved with it.
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Old 11th March 2014, 07:56 PM   #15
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Thank you Mr Maisey!

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