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Old 29th December 2009, 11:32 AM   #1
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Default Another translation request

Couldn't find the answer in former translation requests for my inscriptions.
I would very much appreciate if someone is able to translate the 2 inscriptions on a keris I got some time ago.
Please forgive possible errors in this post since English is not my native tongue.
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Old 30th December 2009, 09:18 AM   #2
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Default [B]Up side down?[B]

According to our webmaster the pictures might have been placed up side down, please find them in the proper way now.
Thanks for your help,
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Old 30th December 2009, 01:53 PM   #3
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Hi njo kesasar,
The image is upside-down.. could you repost the pictures, 180 degrees..
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Old 30th December 2009, 03:38 PM   #4
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Hi Alam,
Done!
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Old 31st December 2009, 05:42 AM   #5
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Hi Njo,

Looks like a "half" syahadah that is missing some characters to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahada
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Old 31st December 2009, 05:56 AM   #6
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opss... wrong place to reply.

I think it's Syahadat also, syahadat mean, a statement for become a moslem..
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Old 1st January 2010, 09:32 AM   #7
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Rasdan: link to wikipedia
Hartadia: Syahadah
On purpose I didn't show the keris as a whole because good observers will have noticed no pamor on the blade.
At the time I received the keris I've put him aside, because the looks were very simple and hastily forged, almost forgot I had him.
Brought up with respect for kerisses but unable to read the text I wasn't satisfied at all with myself and for that reason I opened this thread.
Following the link of Rasdan and the remark of Hartadi (thanks to the both of you) I tried to resume my thoughts and please do correct me if I'm wrong:
Historicaly a keris is made for one person (let's forget all about “tourist kerisses”) and belongs to that person only, so far nothing new.
IMHO this keris has been made for initiation purposes and only used at (a muslim)school and to be used at initiation-day by any pupil who became muslim that day and where the keris is used to pay a certain respect (of course I'm not sure the kind of lessons which are followed there).
Not being muslim I do hope I've not offended anyone because that is not my intention, and if I did please do accept my humble apologies.
Back to my translation request: I copied the text of the Syahadah and put two triangles over part of the text. Triangles representing the blade from base to tip.
If I'm right there is indeed missing some text (Rasdan). Any reason for that or is it as it is?
Remarks/comments are very welcome and thanks for now,
wishing all members a PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR!
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Old 1st January 2010, 08:08 PM   #8
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For the missing text, could be possible that it came off or not properly done in the first place.. imo, the workmanship of the brass-works is lacking. Just last month, during my visit to Java, I've seen a few at a 'pasar keris' (keris market). As for the reason for use, it can be many.. for congregations, depending on the need of the user, group or society and for many other purpose. Your guess is as good as mine..

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Old 1st January 2010, 08:25 PM   #9
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Historicaly a keris is made for one person (let's forget all about “tourist kerisses”) and belongs to that person only, so far nothing new.
IMHO this keris has been made for initiation purposes and only used at (a muslim)school and to be used at initiation-day by any pupil who became muslim that day and where the keris is used to pay a certain respect (of course I'm not sure the kind of lessons which are followed there).
I am not so sure that we can forget about "tourist keris" because i have a strong feeling that is what this keris is. I don't find much sense in you in initiation suggestion. Keris like these are readily available at markets as Alam Shah has suggested. But if you show us the rest we could well be wrong.
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Old 2nd January 2010, 11:12 AM   #10
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Default The end?

Again a romantic dream shattered, don't they all do in the end?
Much to my regret never been to a pasar keris (wouldn't know where to find them, buy my kerisses at fleemarkets a.s.o.) Well gentlemen, not being an expert I agree with the conclusions of Alam and David. Don't think you are wrong and was expecting the question so here are the looks of the keris...........
If no one has anything to add I would suggest to close this thread.
Many thanks for your conclusions/advise,
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