Taza Rapier for comment

Cerjak · 31st May 2013, 11:25 AM

Hi everybody,
Here some pictures from my last acquisition a TAZA rapier.
The seller was not able to tell the me origin and only told me that it was a late 17 TH century sword.
I expect that one member could confirm me period and origin.

Regards

Cerjak

Cerjak · 31st May 2013, 11:28 AM

more pictures

fernando · 31st May 2013, 07:13 PM

Very nice sword.
Spanish ... Italian ?
Strange that the quillon ends are so simple, comparing to the sophistication of the whole guard.
Late 17th century seems to be O.K.

Make sure there is no smith's mark in any of the ricasso sides.

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Valjhun · 1st June 2013, 12:49 AM

Something odd about that piece, quillons as Fernando mentioned and the blade lenght also... it seems too short... what is its lengt?

Cerjak · 1st June 2013, 09:18 AM

Dear Fernando

Yes there is something like smith's mark here but very dificult to see because of the cup ,I will try to find the way to put my eye there.

Regards
Cerjak

Cerjak · 1st June 2013, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerjak

Dear Fernando

Yes there is something like smith's mark here but very dificult to see because of the cup ,I will try to find the way to put my eye there.

Regards
Cerjak

here some extra close up pictures but from photos it will be very hard to see something ....

Cerjak · 1st June 2013, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valjhun

Something odd about that piece, quillons as Fernando mentioned and the blade lenght also... it seems too short... what is its lengt?

Hi Valjhun
Total size Around 100 cm so could be shorter than is genuine size ...
Regards

Cerjak

fernando · 1st June 2013, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cerjak

here some extra close up pictures but from photos it will be very hard to see something ....

However there is a mark there; some relieve is visible

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fernando · 1st June 2013, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cerjak

Hi Valjhun
Total size Around 100 cm so could be shorter than is genuine size ...
Regards

Cerjak

Not necessarily. Some cup hilt swords have such length; i have a couple myself.

VANDERNOTTE · 1st June 2013, 10:24 PM

i have one similar. the blade is marked " SEBASTIAN HERNANDEZ"
maby is a victorian copy?????
sword 115 cm
blade 98 cm
regard
jacques

fernando · 2nd June 2013, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by VANDERNOTTE

i have one similar. the blade is marked " SEBASTIAN HERNANDEZ"
maby is a victorian copy?????

Similar ... but not that much

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... and what makes you think it is a Victorian copy, Jacques ?

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Can you give a clue ?

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VANDERNOTTE · 2nd June 2013, 07:59 PM

maestro fernando
he ahi mis alegatos
1)no smith mark
2)no cabala
3) the blade is thick whis no flexibility
4)i suspect the screws and thread ar not correct
5)the sword don't look 300 years old
6) my feeling
que tengas un lindo domingo
regard
jacques

Dmitry · 6th June 2013, 05:49 PM

I like the 2nd sword, the 1st sword...those quillons are funky. It must've belonged to a ninja.
Why would someone remove both quillon terminals and sharpen the ends? I don't think I remember seeing something like that.
The owner of this sword was one bad hombre.

Cerjak · 19th June 2013, 02:09 PM

Hi Dmitry
Possible that someone remove both quillon terminals and sharpen the ends but in this case may be it was more efficient during the fight ...

Dmitry · 24th June 2013, 03:09 PM

Bonjour, Cerjak.
That is possible, but how would he wear the sword when he wasn't fighting, but going for a leisurely stroll ? The sharp quillons would surely stab him when he walked, rip his clothing, as well as other people that he passed by on the narrow streets. Unless they were covered with some type of removable caps...
It's a tough one. I figure we'd see other period swords with sharpened quillons. Imho they were as dangerous for other people, as they were for the owner, if he were to use that sword for what it was meant to do.

31st May 2013, 11:25 AM	#1
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,064	Taza Rapier for comment Hi everybody, Here some pictures from my last acquisition a TAZA rapier. The seller was not able to tell the me origin and only told me that it was a late 17 TH century sword. I expect that one member could confirm me period and origin. Regards Cerjak Attached Images

31st May 2013, 11:28 AM	#2
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,064	more pics more pictures Attached Images

31st May 2013, 07:13 PM	#3
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Very nice sword. Spanish ... Italian ? Strange that the quillon ends are so simple, comparing to the sophistication of the whole guard. Late 17th century seems to be O.K. Make sure there is no smith's mark in any of the ricasso sides. . Attached Images

1st June 2013, 10:24 PM	#10
VANDERNOTTE Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 60	rapier i have one similar. the blade is marked " SEBASTIAN HERNANDEZ" maby is a victorian copy????? sword 115 cm blade 98 cm regard jacques Attached Images

2nd June 2013, 07:59 PM	#12
VANDERNOTTE Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 60	rapier maestro fernando he ahi mis alegatos 1)no smith mark 2)no cabala 3) the blade is thick whis no flexibility 4)i suspect the screws and thread ar not correct 5)the sword don't look 300 years old 6) my feeling que tengas un lindo domingo regard jacques

1st June 2013, 12:49 AM	#4
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Something odd about that piece, quillons as Fernando mentioned and the blade lenght also... it seems too short... what is its lengt?

1st June 2013, 09:18 AM	#5
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,064	Dear Fernando Yes there is something like smith's mark here but very dificult to see because of the cup ,I will try to find the way to put my eye there. Regards Cerjak

6th June 2013, 05:49 PM	#13
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	I like the 2nd sword, the 1st sword...those quillons are funky. It must've belonged to a ninja. Why would someone remove both quillon terminals and sharpen the ends? I don't think I remember seeing something like that. The owner of this sword was one bad hombre. Last edited by Dmitry; 7th June 2013 at 03:26 AM.

19th June 2013, 02:09 PM	#14
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,064	Hi Dmitry Possible that someone remove both quillon terminals and sharpen the ends but in this case may be it was more efficient during the fight ...

24th June 2013, 03:09 PM	#15
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	Bonjour, Cerjak. That is possible, but how would he wear the sword when he wasn't fighting, but going for a leisurely stroll ? The sharp quillons would surely stab him when he walked, rip his clothing, as well as other people that he passed by on the narrow streets. Unless they were covered with some type of removable caps... It's a tough one. I figure we'd see other period swords with sharpened quillons. Imho they were as dangerous for other people, as they were for the owner, if he were to use that sword for what it was meant to do.