Shipping from Italy

Dmitry · 12th May 2021, 03:32 PM

One London-based auction house now states in plain English in their descriptions of every ivory-containing lot that they will not accept bids from US-based buyers due to the current American regulations.
I'm glad the world elephant population is breathing in unison'ed relief knowing that.

Kurt · 12th May 2021, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dmitry

One London-based auction house now states in plain English in their descriptions of every ivory-containing lot that they will not accept bids from US-based buyers due to the current American regulations.
I'm glad the world elephant population is breathing in unison'ed relief knowing that.

Hi Dimitry,
good answer, I absolutely agree.
Kurt

Philip · 12th May 2021, 05:13 PM

Oh, those ellyfunts should be trumpeting for joy!

gp · 13th May 2021, 03:21 PM

shipping nowadays is always a most interesting journey..
ex the good ol' U S of A :

DHL took me 4 days to NL ( yep ...I am a Cloggy

) for $140 USD for a small Ottoman antique 19th C dagger ( and no import duties charged....

)
value from auction was $100.. actual or real value should be $ 250-300

USPS with their local partner Post.NL again value $100 for a Bosnian dagger from 1860, actual value around 400 - 450, shipping $ 80 .... 4 monnths....with Euro 35 import duties, delivering it together wit a small yacht window ( whose owner was also waiting for 3=4 months on it from a complete different part of Holland) ....

Austrian Post uses Eurodis as intermediate to the Dutch Post.NL and ships for € 18 : 9 times all OK, one time my dagger was lost and on its way back to sender due to incorrect address. The sender made no mistake but all the intermediates put their labels over the original address. Even after contacting all callcenters of 3 involved companies it took 3 months to get my package found an delivered. Terrible... although all other 9 Austrian shipments went OK.

My recent experience :

a book on cold weapons from Bosnia: purchase price 60, DHL ( being the only option) 30....upon arrival ( 3 days !!! Very fast indeed, the same it took me by motorbike or train to Sarajevo...) I had to pay 17 import duties and....18 handling costs....the last 2 amounts did feel like a ripp off

a klewang ( purchase value $ 75, actual 150)from the US again: $ 35 by USPS: 2 weeks and no import duties....

you tell me ... what's going on?

Sometimes I think they are using the donkey express or the Kon-Tiki whilst other times they are performing excellently.

Nevertheless the scare me sh-beep-tless when it takes more than 1 month

As for description of auction houses: they are not sure anymore, so also bone or horn are lots of times described as Citesitems, whilst they come / are made from local oxes in the Balkans...and the only endangered specie is the collector who is been taken for a ride.... sadly. Thumbs up nevertheless yeh all

Dmitry · 19th May 2021, 03:36 PM

An interesting tidbit on the BBC ANTIQUES ROADSHOW FAQ page:

Can I bring ivory to Antiques Roadshow?
At the end of 2018, the UK government’s Ivory Bill gained Royal Assent to become law.

Further information on the detail and scope of the legislation can be found here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...vory-bill-2018

Please note that Antiques Roadshow no longer values items of antique elephant ivory.

However, our experts may be able to examine your items and offer guidance about the new legislation.

That takes care of the broad swath of world antiques, from the Viking period chess figures, to middle ages decorative objects, to 19th century musical instruments, to the 20th century jewelry.

Rick · 19th May 2021, 05:34 PM

I wonder how they feel about fossil ivorys, elephant and mammoth? Many knifemakers in the US use this and fossil walrus, Steller's Sea Cow ribs etc. for knife scales.

I hate it when they make these one-size-fits-all laws.

Tim Simmons · 19th May 2021, 05:40 PM

Hippo ivory is still legal? Just as nice?

Tim Simmons · 19th May 2021, 05:42 PM

Seems hippo is banned too. I can understand the desire to break the market but how many countries will still be a back door market so the killing will still go on.

Philip · 19th May 2021, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

, Steller's Sea Cow ribs

Stellar sea cow? Haven’t heard about that before. Do those ribs taste good off the BBQ grill too? I love the dual-use concept.

Rick · 19th May 2021, 07:40 PM

You'd have to go back in time to BBQ one Philip; they're extinct and anyway who wants leftovers that old.
The fossilized material is is gathered by the indigenous peoples of the Bering Sea area along with fossilized Walrus and is used for carvings, knife scales etc.

This bear was carved from a fossilized Walrus jaw.

13th May 2021, 03:21 PM	#4
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 668	shipping nowadays is always a most interesting journey.. ex the good ol' U S of A : DHL took me 4 days to NL ( yep ...I am a Cloggy) for $140 USD for a small Ottoman antique 19th C dagger ( and no import duties charged....) value from auction was $100.. actual or real value should be $ 250-300 USPS with their local partner Post.NL again value $100 for a Bosnian dagger from 1860, actual value around 400 - 450, shipping $ 80 .... 4 monnths....with Euro 35 import duties, delivering it together wit a small yacht window ( whose owner was also waiting for 3=4 months on it from a complete different part of Holland) .... Austrian Post uses Eurodis as intermediate to the Dutch Post.NL and ships for € 18 : 9 times all OK, one time my dagger was lost and on its way back to sender due to incorrect address. The sender made no mistake but all the intermediates put their labels over the original address. Even after contacting all callcenters of 3 involved companies it took 3 months to get my package found an delivered. Terrible... although all other 9 Austrian shipments went OK. My recent experience : a book on cold weapons from Bosnia: purchase price 60, DHL ( being the only option) 30....upon arrival ( 3 days !!! Very fast indeed, the same it took me by motorbike or train to Sarajevo...) I had to pay 17 import duties and....18 handling costs....the last 2 amounts did feel like a ripp off a klewang ( purchase value $ 75, actual 150)from the US again: $ 35 by USPS: 2 weeks and no import duties.... you tell me ... what's going on? Sometimes I think they are using the donkey express or the Kon-Tiki whilst other times they are performing excellently. Nevertheless the scare me sh-beep-tless when it takes more than 1 month As for description of auction houses: they are not sure anymore, so also bone or horn are lots of times described as Citesitems, whilst they come / are made from local oxes in the Balkans...and the only endangered specie is the collector who is been taken for a ride.... sadly. Thumbs up nevertheless yeh all Last edited by gp; 13th May 2021 at 05:16 PM.

19th May 2021, 07:40 PM	#10
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,268	You'd have to go back in time to BBQ one Philip; they're extinct and anyway who wants leftovers that old. The fossilized material is is gathered by the indigenous peoples of the Bering Sea area along with fossilized Walrus and is used for carvings, knife scales etc. This bear was carved from a fossilized Walrus jaw. Attached Images

12th May 2021, 03:32 PM	#1
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	One London-based auction house now states in plain English in their descriptions of every ivory-containing lot that they will not accept bids from US-based buyers due to the current American regulations. I'm glad the world elephant population is breathing in unison'ed relief knowing that.

12th May 2021, 05:13 PM	#3
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	Oh, those ellyfunts should be trumpeting for joy!

19th May 2021, 03:36 PM	#5
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	An interesting tidbit on the BBC ANTIQUES ROADSHOW FAQ page: Can I bring ivory to Antiques Roadshow? At the end of 2018, the UK government’s Ivory Bill gained Royal Assent to become law. Further information on the detail and scope of the legislation can be found here: https://www.gov.uk/government/public...vory-bill-2018 Please note that Antiques Roadshow no longer values items of antique elephant ivory. However, our experts may be able to examine your items and offer guidance about the new legislation. That takes care of the broad swath of world antiques, from the Viking period chess figures, to middle ages decorative objects, to 19th century musical instruments, to the 20th century jewelry.

19th May 2021, 05:34 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,268	I wonder how they feel about fossil ivorys, elephant and mammoth? Many knifemakers in the US use this and fossil walrus, Steller's Sea Cow ribs etc. for knife scales. I hate it when they make these one-size-fits-all laws.

19th May 2021, 05:40 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,742	Hippo ivory is still legal? Just as nice?

19th May 2021, 05:42 PM	#8
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,742	Seems hippo is banned too. I can understand the desire to break the market but how many countries will still be a back door market so the killing will still go on.