Sword fragment - opinions

AHorsa · 17th July 2016, 11:18 AM

dear all,

I need to have your opinions on this piece concerning authenticity.
the dimensions are: total length 33 cm, pommel across 6 cm, cross guard 19 cm long. the cross guard is slightly decorated at its ends.

Would be great if you can give me some ideas!

thanks and best regards
andreas

Helleri · 17th July 2016, 11:42 AM

I notice that the fuller extends a bit down onto the tang. The grain is tight, fine and wave like. The Tang is tapered enough to end in being peened. Can you get a picture of the end of the pommel?

ulfberth · 17th July 2016, 11:57 AM

Hi Andreas,

Im sure this is an Original, it looks that it has been chemically cleaned before and now it has rusted again.

kind regards

Ulfberth

AHorsa · 17th July 2016, 01:55 PM

Thanks for the infos! Sounds good.
Will post images of the pommel the next days.
Any opinion on the age and geographical classification of the sword?

Best regards
Andreas

Helleri · 17th July 2016, 10:26 PM

It seems to be (from whats left of it) very inline with the dimensions, form and features of an arming sword. And if it were an arming sword and European (that it could be is speculative). You might want to use Oakshott typology to help classify it. I may be wrong but that looks like a type H pommel and type 11 guard. I don't think the blade itself could be fairly categorized.

stekemest · 18th July 2016, 12:03 AM

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Im sure this is an Original, it looks that it has been chemically cleaned before and now it has rusted again.

I completely agree. It is very likely an original, but the surface has been badly damaged, probably by electrolysis or some sort of acid.

Will M · 23rd December 2022, 01:27 AM

The break in the blade appears to have been done under stress and not from corrosion, battle damage? How will you display it, in a block of clear plexiglass or driftwood or? I find the partial broken blade interesting.

17th July 2016, 11:18 AM	#1
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 361	Sword fragment - opinions dear all, I need to have your opinions on this piece concerning authenticity. the dimensions are: total length 33 cm, pommel across 6 cm, cross guard 19 cm long. the cross guard is slightly decorated at its ends. Would be great if you can give me some ideas! thanks and best regards andreas Attached Images

17th July 2016, 11:42 AM	#2
Helleri Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Boulder Creek, CA. Posts: 202	I notice that the fuller extends a bit down onto the tang. The grain is tight, fine and wave like. The Tang is tapered enough to end in being peened. Can you get a picture of the end of the pommel?

17th July 2016, 11:57 AM	#3
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 382	Hi Andreas, Im sure this is an Original, it looks that it has been chemically cleaned before and now it has rusted again. kind regards Ulfberth

17th July 2016, 01:55 PM	#4
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 361	Thanks for the infos! Sounds good. Will post images of the pommel the next days. Any opinion on the age and geographical classification of the sword? Best regards Andreas

17th July 2016, 10:26 PM	#5
Helleri Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Boulder Creek, CA. Posts: 202	It seems to be (from whats left of it) very inline with the dimensions, form and features of an arming sword. And if it were an arming sword and European (that it could be is speculative). You might want to use Oakshott typology to help classify it. I may be wrong but that looks like a type H pommel and type 11 guard. I don't think the blade itself could be fairly categorized.

23rd December 2022, 01:27 AM	#7
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 390	The break in the blade appears to have been done under stress and not from corrosion, battle damage? How will you display it, in a block of clear plexiglass or driftwood or? I find the partial broken blade interesting.