My first posting

Chauncey Depew · 4th April 2015, 04:11 PM

I’ve collected antique arms for some time, but have lately been acquiring 18th and 19th century Austrian militaria and have come across a number of hangers and other infantryman’s side arms with, for me, novel elements—like talismanic blades and Pandour motifs. I need to learn more about these.

The most recent acquisition is the hanger in the attachments. The blade profile and decorations are not dissimilar from the issue versions of the Austrian 1765 patterns linked below. But the horn grip and the screwdriver and flint knapper terminations to each end of the Cross guard were new to me.

I wondered whether this is just some later civilian adaption of a military hanger, perhaps a variant for frontier troops, or something else? I’d be grateful for any thoughts and leads.

For comparison, two eighteenth-century Austrian hangers with similar blade profile and marks.

Austrian Model 1765 Grenadier hanger:
http://www.sailorinsaddle.com/product.aspx?id=765

Also with the Turk's head and various talismanic symbols.

And a second one may be seen here:

http://armsandantiques.com/fine-anti...r-hanger-es754

1765 Austrian Infantry hanger w/Pandour head and some talismanic markings

www.sailorinsaddle.com/product.aspx?id=765 http://armsandantiques.com/fine-anti...r-hanger-es754

fernando · 5th April 2015, 07:41 PM

Hk Chauncey,
You certainly wish to start this thread in the European section.
Let's move it.

kronckew · 6th April 2015, 12:06 AM

yes, belongs there along with the thread on crescent moon markings ( i just posted a link there to here

. nice sword by the way, reminds me of a heavy hirschrfanger. like the hussar hilted hangers too...

Roland_M · 7th April 2015, 10:29 AM

Hello Chauncey,

i would say, this is a hunting trousse ("Waidpraxe" in german language) or a hunting sword ("Jagdplaute" in german).

4th April 2015, 04:11 PM	#1
Chauncey Depew Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 1	My first posting I’ve collected antique arms for some time, but have lately been acquiring 18th and 19th century Austrian militaria and have come across a number of hangers and other infantryman’s side arms with, for me, novel elements—like talismanic blades and Pandour motifs. I need to learn more about these. The most recent acquisition is the hanger in the attachments. The blade profile and decorations are not dissimilar from the issue versions of the Austrian 1765 patterns linked below. But the horn grip and the screwdriver and flint knapper terminations to each end of the Cross guard were new to me. I wondered whether this is just some later civilian adaption of a military hanger, perhaps a variant for frontier troops, or something else? I’d be grateful for any thoughts and leads. For comparison, two eighteenth-century Austrian hangers with similar blade profile and marks. Austrian Model 1765 Grenadier hanger: http://www.sailorinsaddle.com/product.aspx?id=765 Also with the Turk's head and various talismanic symbols. And a second one may be seen here: http://armsandantiques.com/fine-anti...r-hanger-es754 1765 Austrian Infantry hanger w/Pandour head and some talismanic markings www.sailorinsaddle.com/product.aspx?id=765 http://armsandantiques.com/fine-anti...r-hanger-es754 Attached Images

5th April 2015, 07:41 PM	#2
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,641	Hk Chauncey, You certainly wish to start this thread in the European section. Let's move it.

6th April 2015, 12:06 AM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,150	yes, belongs there along with the thread on crescent moon markings ( i just posted a link there to here . nice sword by the way, reminds me of a heavy hirschrfanger. like the hussar hilted hangers too...

7th April 2015, 10:29 AM	#4
Roland_M Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 523	Hello Chauncey, i would say, this is a hunting trousse ("Waidpraxe" in german language) or a hunting sword ("Jagdplaute" in german).