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Old 4th February 2007, 02:13 PM   #1
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Default Swish of THIS kris?

A good friend just pointed out that one of my Moro kris looks like the one in this article!

I am trying to reach the publisher of the online book to try to find out if it is the same.

Note the fuller, the half-waved blade and the long greneng part of the ganja.

http://www.bakbakan.com/swishk/swk1-4.html

link to previous thread with this sword http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3359

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Old 5th February 2007, 03:23 AM   #2
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Bill, just wanted to thank you for publishing that link. This was an exceptionally insight book that I had the good fortune to borrow from Notre Dame University while I was in Jolo, Sulu. It helped me tremendously in understanding the culture, now that I have the link it will provide prepatory reading for those that follow.

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Old 5th February 2007, 07:27 PM   #3
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A good friend just pointed out that one of my Moro kris looks like the one in this article!

I am trying to reach the publisher of the online book to try to find out if it is the same.

Note the fuller, the half-waved blade and the long greneng part of the ganja.

http://www.bakbakan.com/swishk/swk1-4.html

link to previous thread with this sword http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3359

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Could be. Looks promising!
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Old 5th February 2007, 09:04 PM   #4
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Hello Bill,

Nice observation! I did not find any indication that these are different from each other. However, I don't think we'll ever come to any firm conclusion based on that thumbnail-sized pic only...

Please keep us posted if you get in contact with the photographer; it will be certainly interesting to see wether your kris' provenance can be traced back through former hands!

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Old 5th February 2007, 09:08 PM   #5
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BTW, Dan, How are your kris enthusiasts stationed on Jolo doing? It's been half a year or so that one of them posted and I'm curious wether they might have digged up some more pieces and, especially, valuable information from local contacts?

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Old 6th February 2007, 12:22 PM   #6
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Kia,
Unfortunately I haven't had connectivity lately and most of that particular crowd have moved on to the Horn of Africa, where hopefully the spark will continue as I've found nothing better to spark cultural or historical interest than trying to find out "where did my sword come from?".

Until that area stabilizes, which is happening, and a local ethusiast picks up the gauntlet I'm afraid survival and security will take precedence over the more mundane pursuit of historical preservation. My only native contact left there is more concerned about the gadgets he can get for his .45 and his new laptop than about his family kris.

Don't lose hope though because I did witness a pride of culture there that I've rarely seen and there are a few that have the education, foresight and assets to bring a resurgence. It's still mostly an oral history there (anthrpologically speaking), which can get twisted with time, my hope is that some native anthropologist will surprise us all (education outpaces opportunity there) and despite the current situation find the time and the resources to make the Joloanos rightfully proud of their history.

I can only hope I planted a seed in those I had contact with. We did talk to several village elders about the possibilities of resurrecting the old crafts and making them an internet business when we put computers and internet in the schools.

As I reread this I must add my apologies to Bill, my intent was not to highjack your thread.

Respectfully,

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Kia,
Unfortunately I haven't had connectivity lately and most of that particular crowd have moved on to the Horn of Africa, where hopefully the spark will continue as I've found nothing better to spark cultural or historical interest than trying to find out "where did my sword come from?".

Until that area stabilizes, which is happening, and a local ethusiast picks up the gauntlet I'm afraid survival and security will take precedence over the more mundane pursuit of historical preservation. My only native contact left there is more concerned about the gadgets he can get for his .45 and his new laptop than about his family kris.

Don't lose hope though because I did witness a pride of culture there that I've rarely seen and there are a few that have the education, foresight and assets to bring a resurgence. It's still mostly an oral history there (anthrpologically speaking), which can get twisted with time, my hope is that some native anthropologist will surprise us all (education outpaces opportunity there) and despite the current situation find the time and the resources to make the Joloanos rightfully proud of their history.

I can only hope I planted a seed in those I had contact with. We did talk to several village elders about the possibilities of resurrecting the old crafts and making them an internet business when we put computers and internet in the schools.

As I reread this I must add my apologies to Bill, my intent was not to highjack your thread.

Respectfully,

Dan




No problem Dan,

I appreciate your posts bringing us new info from this part of the world.

Still looking for more info on the "Swish" article. Does anyone have any contact with "Bakbakan International" who put this interesting book online?

I have emailed them over the weekend, but not recieved an answer.

I also emailed the guy I got this from, but he has not responded either.

Will let you know what I find out.
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Old 6th February 2007, 07:56 PM   #8
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It could be the one in Cato's book which I thought you have. If not, I would not be surprised that it was "borrowed" from your picture on this forum.

I have had my Sulu silver hilted kris in my first scabbard made with silver mounts "borrowed" (without permission) onto a book on the Maguindanao printed in the PI.
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It could be the one in Cato's book which I thought you have. If not, I would not be surprised that it was "borrowed" from your picture on this forum.

I have had my Sulu silver hilted kris in my first scabbard made with silver mounts "borrowed" (without permission) onto a book on the Maguindanao printed in the PI.


Mine is the one from Cato's book. The date on the online publication is 1997-1998. So if it is mine they used it before I bought it. Would still like confirmation from the publisher if it is mine. I think it is.

They are certainly welcome to use it anyhow.

Speaking of borrowed, I got this Bali keris from Erik Farrow when I first started collecting about 5 years ago. (Left panel)

http://www.eriksedge.com/weaponsofindonesia.html

Erik emailed me a few years later to say that it was for sale on eBay! It was! The same picture from Erik's site!!!! I emailed eBay and told them about this fraud. Ebay pulled the ad.
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That kris in the logo has been there for over 7 years .
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This shocks me............not.
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