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Old 7th January 2009, 10:13 AM   #1
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Default Keris Identification 2: opinions please

The second keris from the story bescribe at 1:

Javanese dress quite simple but well made.
Strange dapur and quite indistinct pamor.

Would like to hear your opions on this keris, dapur/pamor/age etc.
I would like to learn so don't be afraid to share your opion if it can not be sustained by references etc.

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Old 7th January 2009, 05:37 PM   #2
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Maybe some sort of a kebo lajer form .
East Jawa, Bali ?

Once you get past the oddness; it's quite attractive .
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Old 7th January 2009, 09:14 PM   #3
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Hullo everybody,

To my untrained eyes, it looks like a 3-wave Cengkrong.

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Old 7th January 2009, 09:32 PM   #4
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Right you are .
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Old 8th January 2009, 03:01 AM   #5
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That's right,

It is a chengkrong luk-3. I have another chengkrong with luk-5 (five waves) but newly made by a Solo keris maker, Ki Sukamdi...

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Old 8th January 2009, 09:08 AM   #6
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That's right,

It is a chengkrong luk-3. I have another of chengkrong with luk-5 but newly made by a Solo keris maker, Ki Sukamdi...

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Very nice.. I like it.. tfs.. lovely fullers.
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Old 8th January 2009, 01:55 PM   #7
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Ganja,

everytype uploaded, you have one. how many kerises do you have indeed?

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Old 8th January 2009, 02:07 PM   #8
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nice cengkrong luk,,,. sad i dont have one.
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Old 8th January 2009, 05:21 PM   #9
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Old 8th January 2009, 09:57 PM   #10
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Hi Erik, that's an interesting piece you have there and it looks like there's some nice pamor that would show up with a clean and restain job.

Hi Ganja, if you don't mind me asking, how long is that cengkrong of yours? How thick is it and how wide is the gongo from side to side? It kind of says to me "make one" (after finishing my jalak budo, Bali Pasopati etc... )
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Old 9th January 2009, 04:37 AM   #11
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everytype uploaded, you have one. how many kerises do you have indeed?
Now is about 100 keris blades, pedang and tombak. But in my "craziest" day in the past, more than 600 pieces (in 1986).
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Hi Ganja, if you don't mind me asking, how long is that cengkrong of yours? How thick is it and how wide is the gongo from side to side? It kind of says to me "make one" (after finishing my jalak budo, Bali Pasopati etc... )
A medium blade, about 20 cm long. According to Ki Sukamdi's habitude, the formulation of ganja measurement is: longitude of overall blade without ganja : 9 x 2. ( X : 9 x 2 ). That's the width of ganja according to him. (But not this chengkrong, the width of the ganja is shorter)..

This pics below, is "not" a pedang or Javanese sword. But actually "a chengkrong without ganja", but dressed in a pedang shape. You may look at the sor-soran or lower part of this pedang-chengkrong.. The only straight chengkrong keris I have in my collection.

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Old 9th January 2009, 12:49 PM   #12
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Mouth-watering piece.. beautiful paintwork too.. nice Tuban-styled hilt.. Thanks for sharing..
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Old 10th January 2009, 11:54 AM   #13
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Anything specific about chengkrong dapur blades?
Are they rare?
Specific meanings?

Regards, Erik
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Old 20th January 2009, 05:20 AM   #14
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Anything specific about chengkrong dapur blades?
Are they rare?
Specific meanings?
Yes, Erik, they are. Some javanese keris people even said, that such kerises were usually used by ulemas, or religious preachers in the past.

Here is another picture of a chengkrong keris with nine (9) luks or waves I've just acquired in Jakarta... Old blade, with its old style of Banyumas (southern part of west-central Java) warangka and Cirebonese hilt...

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