Left hand dagger for comments

fernando · 15th January 2014, 12:46 PM

Arriving next week ...
Seller says European; judging by the few i have seen out there, it could be Italian. Am i correct ?
Date attributed end XVI - beg. XVII century, therefore circa 1600. Would this be correct ... or maybe a bit later ?
Blade lenght 28,5 cms. Total length 39 cms. Third picture is real size.
What do you Gents think about this example ?

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cornelistromp · 15th January 2014, 07:36 PM

hi Fernando,

Beautiful dagger,
The pommel is of Norman type 60 and attributed to the first half of the 17th century, mainly known on paintings made in west european countries.

The blade with a flat long ricasso and diamond cross section was frequently found on rapiers at the end of the 16th century.

yes I can agree on 1580-1620, but German or Italian? difficult to tell.

best,
Jasper

fernando · 15th January 2014, 08:00 PM

Thank you for the comforting comments, Jasper

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I will file its age and possible origin accordingly.

fernando · 24th January 2014, 05:28 PM

Dagger arrived two days ago.
There is something that intrigues me; the interior design of the ring guard. I notice that these features are usually seen in (left hand) parrying daggers of this style, very so often with the same configuration.
My question: is this only a matter of (traditional) decoration or does it have any effectiveness in the handling of these daggers ?

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M ELEY · 25th January 2014, 02:36 AM

That is a spectacular piece, Fernando! You have an amazing ability to find the most desirable pieces!

Do my weak eyes play tricks, or does the blade have traces of silver overlay? I'd love one of these for my collection!

fernando · 25th January 2014, 01:36 PM

Thank you for your flattering comments, Mark. I wish i had a collection based on such reality

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And no, no overlay. The visual efffects that are tricking you are due to the light reflex of excelent pictures taken by the seller.
But an effect that is tricking me is what i suspect to have been the maker's mark, faded by time and wear... which is a pity

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(Both pictures from same front side)

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15th January 2014, 12:46 PM	#1
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Left hand dagger for comments Arriving next week ... Seller says European; judging by the few i have seen out there, it could be Italian. Am i correct ? Date attributed end XVI - beg. XVII century, therefore circa 1600. Would this be correct ... or maybe a bit later ? Blade lenght 28,5 cms. Total length 39 cms. Third picture is real size. What do you Gents think about this example ? . Attached Images

24th January 2014, 05:28 PM	#4
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Dagger arrived two days ago. There is something that intrigues me; the interior design of the ring guard. I notice that these features are usually seen in (left hand) parrying daggers of this style, very so often with the same configuration. My question: is this only a matter of (traditional) decoration or does it have any effectiveness in the handling of these daggers ? . Attached Images

25th January 2014, 01:36 PM	#6
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Thank you for your flattering comments, Mark. I wish i had a collection based on such reality . And no, no overlay. The visual efffects that are tricking you are due to the light reflex of excelent pictures taken by the seller. But an effect that is tricking me is what i suspect to have been the maker's mark, faded by time and wear... which is a pity . (Both pictures from same front side) . Attached Images

15th January 2014, 07:36 PM	#2
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,057	hi Fernando, Beautiful dagger, The pommel is of Norman type 60 and attributed to the first half of the 17th century, mainly known on paintings made in west european countries. The blade with a flat long ricasso and diamond cross section was frequently found on rapiers at the end of the 16th century. yes I can agree on 1580-1620, but German or Italian? difficult to tell. best, Jasper

15th January 2014, 08:00 PM	#3
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Thank you for the comforting comments, Jasper . I will file its age and possible origin accordingly.

25th January 2014, 02:36 AM	#5
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,066	That is a spectacular piece, Fernando! You have an amazing ability to find the most desirable pieces! Do my weak eyes play tricks, or does the blade have traces of silver overlay? I'd love one of these for my collection!