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Old 21st May 2020, 10:19 AM   #1
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Default 19th century bone knife

dimensions:

total length: 17,8 cm
blade: 8cm
handle: 8 cm

further info:

2 rivets in handle
wooden scabberd coverd by iron

remark:

- same marks at both sides of the blade
- metal does not go to the end of the handle but 2 cm below
( as one can see from the last 2 bottom piucture unlike Balkan daggers/ knives or bichaqs)
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Old 21st May 2020, 12:39 PM   #2
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Nice little knife! Yes, Balkan, Greece, in this direction I would look. I think that others will be able to give you better informations as I am.

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Old 21st May 2020, 12:49 PM   #3
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Interesting, what are the "stones" in the handle ? teinted glass, semi or precious stone ?
That's nice to see that kind of pieces !
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Old 21st May 2020, 01:19 PM   #4
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Interesting, what are the "stones" in the handle ? teinted glass, semi or precious stone ?
That's nice to see that kind of pieces !

no precious stones I would say but then again I am not a specialist on precious stones and semi precious stones ...
but they look like the stones some Bosnian yataghans are decorated with and very small approx of 0,15 cm

Remarkable For such a small knife that both sides of the blade have the same mark an eyelid kind of form Accompanied by 3 dots left and right.

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Old 22nd May 2020, 02:08 AM   #5
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Hard to tell from the pictures, but the "gems" could also be colored bone, which I have seen on hilts like this before.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 07:40 AM   #6
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I suggest to read carefully this thread

http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthrea...ht=bosnian+pala


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Old 22nd May 2020, 12:45 PM   #7
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I suggest to read carefully this thread

http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthrea...ht=bosnian+pala



Thnx a lot and the link of Kurt does not only shows a wonderful sword but actually a treasure and museum piece as its owner Gazi Husrev Beg is / was one of the most important men in the history of Sarajevo and Ottoman Bosnia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gazi_Husrev-beg

Fyi: beg is the Yu / Bosnian / Croation / Serbian / Macedonian / Montenegrin version of bey or pasha
Once I read the translation I realized the sword to be a piece of cultural heritage indeed and henceforth priceless
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Fyi: beg is the Yu / Bosnian / Croation / Serbian / Macedonian / Montenegrin version of bey or pasha


Sorry my friend but you are wrong. Beg is Turk too. Beg and Bey are the same. Please look at Atabeg.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 02:54 PM   #9
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In modern Turkish, the hard G found in the word beg has transmuted to a yumushak ge, which sounds pretty much like a Y, or in some cases a glottal stop; it depends on the word. Hence, bey. In parts of Anatolia, however, I've still heard it pronounced beg.

There is a distinction between the terms beg and pasa. Both are ranks. However, bey was (and is) also added to the end of a given name for virtually any adult male, more or less approximating the English Mr., French, monsieur, etc.
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Sorry my friend but you are wrong. Beg is Turk too. Beg and Bey are the same. Please look at Atabeg.


No problem at all as I look forward and appreciate any feedback and free lessons. Thank you for your correction.
I was referring to what I learned in the former Yu and what was used there ( i.e. Southern Dalmatia, BiH and Boka Kotorska Montenegro)

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